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Right, this is why fascist governments tend to fail. In the meantime, though, normal folks will be hurt.

by myko 2y ago

kelnos 2y ago
And in the meantime, the people in power in these fascist governments tend to make out like (literal) bandits.
- Aeolun 2y ago
  This is fine if it ends by being subjected to that convenient device they developed in France somewhere in the 1800s.
  - spiderfarmer 2y ago
    That is a divisive issue.
    - gortok 2y ago
      By “divisive” you mean dividing heads from bodies, right?
      - spiderfarmer 2y ago
        Yeah. Also called "air gapping".
  - LeonB 2y ago
    Very unlikely in the first place, but second, that way lies far worse chaos. Similarly, when Julius Caesar turned the republic into an empire, and was subsequently assassinated: it did not mean the empire reverted back to being a republic - rather that centuries of increasingly despotic emperors lay ahead.
    - tsimionescu 2y ago
      Agree that it's unlikely, but while knives in the back still led to centuries of imperialism, the guillotine cleanly ended absolutist monarchy in France once, and then some ships and exile ended the second time, and it generally stayed dead afterwards.
      - tialaramex 2y ago
        Note that modern France is the Fifth Republic so that's a whole lot of turmoil given how relatively recently they killed their last king.
        lores 2y ago
        It's iterative republic development. Release a republic, test it in the field, make improvements. Makes sense to me.
        A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 2y ago
        :D I don't know why, but something about this made me giggle.
        tialaramex 2y ago
        Nazis again? We did Nazis remember? End of the Third Republic, all of that? Everybody agreed Nazis were a bad idea, why the fuck are there more Nazis?
        dragonwriter 2y ago
        > Note that modern France is the Fifth Republic so that's a whole lot of turmoil given how relatively recently they killed their last king. Their last king wasn't killed by the French, but died in exile in England, and was one of three (or four) kings (Louis XVIII, Charles X, (arguably Henry V), and Louis Phillippe, who reigned between the First Empire (and consequently also after the First Republic) and the Second Republic (and consequently also before the Second Empire.) Their last monarch was even later, and also wasn't killed by the French, but died in exile in England. The series of governments after the last monarch includes only the Third through Fifth Republics (and, depending on how you look at it, the Vichy regime between the Third and Fourth Republics.) And IIRC there wasn't much substantive difference between the Third and Fourth Republic; the latter was basically a restoration of the former after France was freed from German occupation, not a change in governing philosophy by the French people, so you could argue that there were as few as two substantively different French systems of government after the last monarch was deposed.
  - nandomrumber 2y ago
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blitzar 2y ago
Looks to me like a legitimate and democratically elected regime. There are many unsolved issues in the world, having sympathy for people getting exactly what they want seems like a waste of a finite resource.
- beeforpork 2y ago
  It is not a waste. (1) It is still an interesting topic, because in this case, it has world-wide consequences. (2) Many of the problems of the world can only be solved if people are convinced that those are important problems. You need to fix people's closest problems first, like their bread and perceived security. Each individual has just one life, I wouldn't say it's selfish to want an OKish life, and only then think about what's best for the human race. (3) Most of the right voters were convinced (and might still be) that they were doing what is good for them. But it isn't. They voted wrong, they were tricked against their actual will. (4) This is not a singular event. The same may happen somewhere near or around you maybe sooner than later, so analysig how it happened, which groups exactly voted against their own advantage, and how to make the consequences clear and understandable beforehand, and how to prevent it in general -- all this is important. Not wasted resources at all. The opposite. We need to remember that this is not a boring news topic.
  - blitzar 2y ago
    Until america experiences the full consequences for their stupidity they will continue being stupid. Children get told 100's of times they will burn their hand if they touch the stove. In the best case scenario they touch it once anyway, with a responsible person nearby and then never again. The sooner that happens the better for everyone it is.
    - beeforpork 2y ago
      OK, burning is happening right now, so mission accomplished, I guess? Are you sure people will learn from it? And who is the responsible person nearby in this reality? > Children get told 100's of times they will burn their hand if they touch the stove. In the best case scenario they touch it once anyway, ... That is not the best case. I never burned myself on a stove. Also, this is not an individual Darwin problem like the stove example -- this has consequences for many bystanders who did know better, and many more bystanders who had no say in this.
Yeul 2y ago
Normal folks vote for the fascists. How many Americans despise the liberal universities and their students? How many Americans think the US should be a Christian nation? Fascism is popular. Many people will fall for it. Time and time again. The US is not special- it happened in Argentina, Brazil, Greece, Portugal. It can happen in America.
- Not4Hire 1y ago
  ...has happen3d. <-FTFY

Right, this is why fascist governments tend to fail. In the meantime, though, normal folks will be hurt.

by myko 2y ago

Right, this is why fascist governments tend to fail. In the meantime, though, normal folks will be hurt.

kelnos 2y ago

And in the meantime, the people in power in these fascist governments tend to make out like (literal) bandits.

Aeolun 2y ago
This is fine if it ends by being subjected to that convenient device they developed in France somewhere in the 1800s.
- spiderfarmer 2y ago
  That is a divisive issue.
  - gortok 2y ago
    By “divisive” you mean dividing heads from bodies, right?
    - spiderfarmer 2y ago
      Yeah. Also called "air gapping".
- LeonB 2y ago
  Very unlikely in the first place, but second, that way lies far worse chaos. Similarly, when Julius Caesar turned the republic into an empire, and was subsequently assassinated: it did not mean the empire reverted back to being a republic - rather that centuries of increasingly despotic emperors lay ahead.
  - tsimionescu 2y ago
    Agree that it's unlikely, but while knives in the back still led to centuries of imperialism, the guillotine cleanly ended absolutist monarchy in France once, and then some ships and exile ended the second time, and it generally stayed dead afterwards.
    - tialaramex 2y ago
      Note that modern France is the Fifth Republic so that's a whole lot of turmoil given how relatively recently they killed their last king.
      - lores 2y ago
        It's iterative republic development. Release a republic, test it in the field, make improvements. Makes sense to me.
        A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 2y ago
        :D I don't know why, but something about this made me giggle.
        tialaramex 2y ago
        Nazis again? We did Nazis remember? End of the Third Republic, all of that? Everybody agreed Nazis were a bad idea, why the fuck are there more Nazis?
      - dragonwriter 2y ago
        > Note that modern France is the Fifth Republic so that's a whole lot of turmoil given how relatively recently they killed their last king. Their last king wasn't killed by the French, but died in exile in England, and was one of three (or four) kings (Louis XVIII, Charles X, (arguably Henry V), and Louis Phillippe, who reigned between the First Empire (and consequently also after the First Republic) and the Second Republic (and consequently also before the Second Empire.) Their last monarch was even later, and also wasn't killed by the French, but died in exile in England. The series of governments after the last monarch includes only the Third through Fifth Republics (and, depending on how you look at it, the Vichy regime between the Third and Fourth Republics.) And IIRC there wasn't much substantive difference between the Third and Fourth Republic; the latter was basically a restoration of the former after France was freed from German occupation, not a change in governing philosophy by the French people, so you could argue that there were as few as two substantively different French systems of government after the last monarch was deposed.
- nandomrumber 2y ago
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blitzar 2y ago

Looks to me like a legitimate and democratically elected regime. There are many unsolved issues in the world, having sympathy for people getting exactly what they want seems like a waste of a finite resource.

beeforpork 2y ago
It is not a waste. (1) It is still an interesting topic, because in this case, it has world-wide consequences. (2) Many of the problems of the world can only be solved if people are convinced that those are important problems. You need to fix people's closest problems first, like their bread and perceived security. Each individual has just one life, I wouldn't say it's selfish to want an OKish life, and only then think about what's best for the human race. (3) Most of the right voters were convinced (and might still be) that they were doing what is good for them. But it isn't. They voted wrong, they were tricked against their actual will. (4) This is not a singular event. The same may happen somewhere near or around you maybe sooner than later, so analysig how it happened, which groups exactly voted against their own advantage, and how to make the consequences clear and understandable beforehand, and how to prevent it in general -- all this is important. Not wasted resources at all. The opposite. We need to remember that this is not a boring news topic.
- blitzar 2y ago
  Until america experiences the full consequences for their stupidity they will continue being stupid. Children get told 100's of times they will burn their hand if they touch the stove. In the best case scenario they touch it once anyway, with a responsible person nearby and then never again. The sooner that happens the better for everyone it is.
  - beeforpork 2y ago
    OK, burning is happening right now, so mission accomplished, I guess? Are you sure people will learn from it? And who is the responsible person nearby in this reality? > Children get told 100's of times they will burn their hand if they touch the stove. In the best case scenario they touch it once anyway, ... That is not the best case. I never burned myself on a stove. Also, this is not an individual Darwin problem like the stove example -- this has consequences for many bystanders who did know better, and many more bystanders who had no say in this.

Yeul 2y ago

Normal folks vote for the fascists. How many Americans despise the liberal universities and their students? How many Americans think the US should be a Christian nation? Fascism is popular. Many people will fall for it. Time and time again. The US is not special- it happened in Argentina, Brazil, Greece, Portugal. It can happen in America.

Not4Hire 1y ago
...has happen3d. <-FTFY