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The current admin is openly anti-intellectual. Edit: "We need to attack the universities in this country" "The professors are the enemy" Specific clip http

by Braxton1980 2y ago

The current admin is openly anti-intellectual. Edit: "We need to attack the universities in this country" "The professors are the enemy" Specific clip https://www.reddit.com/r/ABoringDystopia/comments/1ichg58/yale_grad_vp_vance_states_that_professors/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ABoringDystopia/comments/1ichg58/ya... If you want the full speech it's on YT so if you reply with "context" you should back that up

imgabe 2y ago
Current universities are openly anti intellectual.
- Braxton1980 2y ago
  What evidence do you have of this?
  - imgabe 2y ago
    What evidence does the parent comment provide?
    - Braxton1980 2y ago
      Just edited my comment. How many quotes do you need? I can supply many
      - imgabe 2y ago
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        anonymars 2y ago
        Could you perhaps spell out your definition of anti-intellectual for us then? > Current universities are openly anti intellectual.
        imgabe 2y ago
        The administration is saying “hire and promote faculty and admit students based on scholarly merit, not ideology and activism”. Universities are saying “no, we want to keep doing the ideology stuff”. That is anti-intellectual.
        croes 2y ago
        The administration defines what ideology is and given the current administration claims it’s based on merit and given the nonsense they do economically, scientifically and militarily they are the ideological activists. Not to mention that they are clearly hired based on gender and skin color. RFK jr., really?
        intermerda 2y ago
        And you’re taking words of this administration at face value, correct?
        imgabe 2y ago
        [flagged]
        Braxton1980 2y ago
        What words? What university? Who at the university? Edit: My comment was that the admin is anti intellectual and I provided quotes from JD Vance on all universities and professors.
        imgabe 2y ago
        Gosh, I don't know. If only there were a link to a statement by a university somewhere here.
        Braxton1980 2y ago
        Unless you have evidence Vance is lying why wouldn't I?
        Braxton1980 2y ago
        >You are simply defining intellectual as “whatever universities do and say Definition of anti-intellectual "a person who scorns intellectuals and their views and methods" from oxford Intellectual "of or relating to the intellect or its use", "given to study, reflection, and speculation", and ": engaged in activity requiring the creative use of the intellect" from MW. I didn't define anything. If I said the administration was anti-education would that be better?
        imgabe 2y ago
        > the University must adopt and implement merit-based hiring policies, and cease all preferences based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin throughout its hiring, promotion, compensation, and related practices among faculty, staff, and leadership. > the University must adopt and implement merit-based admissions policies and cease all preferences based on race, color, national origin, or proxies thereof, throughout its undergraduate program, each graduate program individually, each of its professional schools, and other programs. In what way is hiring faculty and and admitting students based on merit instead of their identity anti-education? Is your position that you get a better education from a professor who was hired because of their race instead of the quality of their scholarly work?
        Braxton1980 2y ago
        >In what way is hiring faculty and and admitting students based on merit instead of their identity anti-education? It's not. Calling universities and professors the enemy is. The government taking away funding because you want international students to adhere to an ideology is wrong. >is your position that you get a better education from a professor who was hired because of their race instead of the quality of their scholarly work? How do you rank the quality of scholarly work?
        imgabe 2y ago
        You ask other scholars in the field to read it and give their opinion on it. It’s this thing called “peer review” that is kind of the basis of all modern academic inquiry. In the case of hiring, typically a committee of other professors in the department would evaluate candidates, not a bunch of DEI bureaucrats. They would read what the candidates have published and see if the arguments they make are sound, and look at things like # of citations that indicate how prominent the work is in the field. I don’t know if you’ve ever met any academics, but I promise you they have no problems forming opinions about the quality of work of other people in their field.
        Braxton1980 2y ago
        Just want to note that I didn't downvote (I can't yet) or flag your comments. I don't think your comments should be flagged either.
amiga386 2y ago
I'd agree with you that the current admin is anti-intellectual, but this speech is not a smoking gun. For those who need spoonfed, here is the full speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FR65Cifnhw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FR65Cifnhw It's JD Vance's keynote speech at the 2021 National Conservatism conference. The speech, which I've just skimread, is mostly well-worn US conservative complaints about US higher education. He also talks about red-pilling because he's down with the kids, and he adds Jesus sprinkles in case you forgot he's Christian. The speech is dull but it's bookended with two spicy statements, both of which you mostly quoted. The latter statement is not his words but a quote from Nixon. Opening statement: «So much of what we want to accomplish, so much of what we want to do in this movement in this country, I think are fundamentally dependent on going through a set of very hostile institutions - specifically the universities which control the knowledge in our society, which control what we call truth and what we call falsity, that provides research that gives credibility to some of the most ridiculous ideas that exist in our country and so I'm excited to close this conference with this particular set of remarks, because I think if any of us want to do the things that we want to do for our country, and for the people who live in it, we have to honestly and aggressively attack the universities in this country.» Closing statement: «I really want to end this on an inspirational note [...] and the person whose quote I ultimately had to land on was the great prophet and statesman Richard Milhous Nixon [...] there is a season for everything in this country and I think in this movement of National Conservatism, what we need more than inspiration is we need wisdom, and there is a wisdom in what Richard Nixon said approximately 40-50 years ago. He said, and I quote: "the professors are the enemy".» EDIT: And for the context of the Nixon quote, it comes from a private conversation Nixon had with Henry Kissinger in the Oval Office on December 14, 1972, recordings of which were released in 2008: «Henry remember... we're gonna be around and outlive our enemies. And also, never forget, the press is the enemy. The press is the enemy. The press is the enemy. The establishment is the enemy. The professors are the enemy. The professors are the enemy. Write that on a blackboard 100 times and never forget it.». It's worth noting that Nixon was already keeping an "enemies list": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon%27s_Enemies_List https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon%27s_Enemies_List
- Braxton1980 2y ago
  It doesn't matter what Nixon's context was Vance was quoting him literally by proclaiming it a piece of wisdom. Posting the entire speech only bolsters my view. For example "[To accomplish goals].. I think are fundamentally dependent on going through a set of very hostile institutions - specifically the universities..." I'm confused about your argument. I don't consider it a smoking gun just a concise example of what Vance and MAGA Republicans belive. There's no context confusion, it's on video, and it being dull only shows how comfortable he is exposing insane views.

imgabe 2y ago

Current universities are openly anti intellectual.

Braxton1980 2y ago
What evidence do you have of this?
- imgabe 2y ago
  What evidence does the parent comment provide?
  - Braxton1980 2y ago
    Just edited my comment. How many quotes do you need? I can supply many
    - imgabe 2y ago
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      - anonymars 2y ago
        Could you perhaps spell out your definition of anti-intellectual for us then? > Current universities are openly anti intellectual.
        imgabe 2y ago
        The administration is saying “hire and promote faculty and admit students based on scholarly merit, not ideology and activism”. Universities are saying “no, we want to keep doing the ideology stuff”. That is anti-intellectual.
        croes 2y ago
        The administration defines what ideology is and given the current administration claims it’s based on merit and given the nonsense they do economically, scientifically and militarily they are the ideological activists. Not to mention that they are clearly hired based on gender and skin color. RFK jr., really?
        intermerda 2y ago
        And you’re taking words of this administration at face value, correct?
        imgabe 2y ago
        [flagged]
        Braxton1980 2y ago
        What words? What university? Who at the university? Edit: My comment was that the admin is anti intellectual and I provided quotes from JD Vance on all universities and professors.
        imgabe 2y ago
        Gosh, I don't know. If only there were a link to a statement by a university somewhere here.
        Braxton1980 2y ago
        Unless you have evidence Vance is lying why wouldn't I?
      - Braxton1980 2y ago
        >You are simply defining intellectual as “whatever universities do and say Definition of anti-intellectual "a person who scorns intellectuals and their views and methods" from oxford Intellectual "of or relating to the intellect or its use", "given to study, reflection, and speculation", and ": engaged in activity requiring the creative use of the intellect" from MW. I didn't define anything. If I said the administration was anti-education would that be better?
        imgabe 2y ago
        > the University must adopt and implement merit-based hiring policies, and cease all preferences based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin throughout its hiring, promotion, compensation, and related practices among faculty, staff, and leadership. > the University must adopt and implement merit-based admissions policies and cease all preferences based on race, color, national origin, or proxies thereof, throughout its undergraduate program, each graduate program individually, each of its professional schools, and other programs. In what way is hiring faculty and and admitting students based on merit instead of their identity anti-education? Is your position that you get a better education from a professor who was hired because of their race instead of the quality of their scholarly work?
        Braxton1980 2y ago
        >In what way is hiring faculty and and admitting students based on merit instead of their identity anti-education? It's not. Calling universities and professors the enemy is. The government taking away funding because you want international students to adhere to an ideology is wrong. >is your position that you get a better education from a professor who was hired because of their race instead of the quality of their scholarly work? How do you rank the quality of scholarly work?
        imgabe 2y ago
        You ask other scholars in the field to read it and give their opinion on it. It’s this thing called “peer review” that is kind of the basis of all modern academic inquiry. In the case of hiring, typically a committee of other professors in the department would evaluate candidates, not a bunch of DEI bureaucrats. They would read what the candidates have published and see if the arguments they make are sound, and look at things like # of citations that indicate how prominent the work is in the field. I don’t know if you’ve ever met any academics, but I promise you they have no problems forming opinions about the quality of work of other people in their field.
      - Braxton1980 2y ago
        Just want to note that I didn't downvote (I can't yet) or flag your comments. I don't think your comments should be flagged either.

amiga386 2y ago

I'd agree with you that the current admin is anti-intellectual, but this speech is not a smoking gun. For those who need spoonfed, here is the full speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FR65Cifnhw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FR65Cifnhw It's JD Vance's keynote speech at the 2021 National Conservatism conference. The speech, which I've just skimread, is mostly well-worn US conservative complaints about US higher education. He also talks about red-pilling because he's down with the kids, and he adds Jesus sprinkles in case you forgot he's Christian. The speech is dull but it's bookended with two spicy statements, both of which you mostly quoted. The latter statement is not his words but a quote from Nixon. Opening statement: «So much of what we want to accomplish, so much of what we want to do in this movement in this country, I think are fundamentally dependent on going through a set of very hostile institutions - specifically the universities which control the knowledge in our society, which control what we call truth and what we call falsity, that provides research that gives credibility to some of the most ridiculous ideas that exist in our country and so I'm excited to close this conference with this particular set of remarks, because I think if any of us want to do the things that we want to do for our country, and for the people who live in it, we have to honestly and aggressively attack the universities in this country.» Closing statement: «I really want to end this on an inspirational note [...] and the person whose quote I ultimately had to land on was the great prophet and statesman Richard Milhous Nixon [...] there is a season for everything in this country and I think in this movement of National Conservatism, what we need more than inspiration is we need wisdom, and there is a wisdom in what Richard Nixon said approximately 40-50 years ago. He said, and I quote: "the professors are the enemy".» EDIT: And for the context of the Nixon quote, it comes from a private conversation Nixon had with Henry Kissinger in the Oval Office on December 14, 1972, recordings of which were released in 2008: «Henry remember... we're gonna be around and outlive our enemies. And also, never forget, the press is the enemy. The press is the enemy. The press is the enemy. The establishment is the enemy. The professors are the enemy. The professors are the enemy. Write that on a blackboard 100 times and never forget it.». It's worth noting that Nixon was already keeping an "enemies list": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon%27s_Enemies_List https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon%27s_Enemies_List

Braxton1980 2y ago
It doesn't matter what Nixon's context was Vance was quoting him literally by proclaiming it a piece of wisdom. Posting the entire speech only bolsters my view. For example "[To accomplish goals].. I think are fundamentally dependent on going through a set of very hostile institutions - specifically the universities..." I'm confused about your argument. I don't consider it a smoking gun just a concise example of what Vance and MAGA Republicans belive. There's no context confusion, it's on video, and it being dull only shows how comfortable he is exposing insane views.