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Guantanamo was Bush's attempt to circumvent habeas corpus by imprisoning people outside the country. The Supreme Court didn't let him get away with that. The El

Guantanamo was Bush's attempt to circumvent habeas corpus by imprisoning people outside the country. The Supreme Court didn't let him get away with that. The El Salvador strategy is the logical next step to avoid habeas corpus, by using a prison that is foreign-operated not just located in a foreign country.

rich_sasha 2y ago
With no endorsement of what went on in Gitmo, at least it was mostly people accused of truly terrible crimes. Isn't the Salvador cohort literally mostly random people? EDIT: by "random people" I meant the ones deported from the US, not people arrested in El Salvador.
- saagarjha 2y ago
  The accusation is that they are gang members or terrorists. Unfortunately, looking at the accusation doesn't really change what is going on here.
  - rich_sasha 2y ago
    Well, I think two horrible things can be unequal, one can be more horrible than the other.
- croes 2y ago
  Guantanamo: random people accused of being part of Al-Qaeda El Salvador: random people accused of being part of Tren de Aragua
- ty6853 2y ago
  No, most of CECOT is prisoners arrested within El Salvador. Only a small section is previously US domiciled persons. The US only funded 300 of the available 40,000 slots. Most of them were from domestic gang round-ups, though I'm sure that process was highly imperfect. So Mr. Garcia will be surrounded by a gigantic cohort of legitimate, full body 'MS-13' tattood, hard hitting gang members. If he wasn't in a gang before he likely is now, or getting the living shit beat out of him because he lacks gang protection.
  - orwin 2y ago
    Wasn't he in the US because he was fleeing the gangs? Or is it another deportee?
    - ty6853 2y ago
      Yes he was fleeing the gangs so they sent him to be locked up with the gang that wanted to kill him.
      - selimthegrim 2y ago
        They sent him towards the brothel to get away from the brothel.
    - kyleee 2y ago
      I don’t believe there was any claim of asylum, rather he was ruled to be deported in around 2019, and held to be deportable on appeal, and then he failed to deport and was once again apprehended in 2025. His status changed when MS13 was designated a terrorist group (he was adjudicated to belong to MS13 during the deportation proceedings) which did away with his special request to not be sent to El Salvador.
      - ty6853 2y ago
        He claimed asylum but it was denied because it was too late. After the deportation order there was an order of withholding from deportation, after which it appears he was granted some form of work authorization and parole with annual check ins. Nevertheless I strongly believe if the US had just dumped him in a village in El Salvador none of this would be news. They have done that to US citizens and hardly anyone noticed. The real story is he was sent into an experimental contract foreign prison at the behest of the government and the violation of the withholding order provides the wedge to challenge it and eventually wedge to make it easier to challenge more happenings at CECOT. Even if he is an MS13 member, the government never used due process to withdraw the withholding of removal order that they are claiming should no longer exist.
      - 2y ago
- miles 2y ago
  > [A]t least [Gitmo] was mostly people accused of truly terrible crimes. Factsheet: The Human Cost of Guantánamo Bay Detention Camp https://bridge.georgetown.edu/research/factsheet-the-human-cost-of-guantanamo-bay-detention-camp/ https://bridge.georgetown.edu/research/factsheet-the-human-c... > Since its founding in 2002, Guantánamo Bay military prison has held 780 adults and minors from around fifty different countries, all of whom are Muslim. As of 2022, 732 of them (or 94 percent) have been released without ever having been formally charged. Nine men have died in custody, seven by apparent suicide and two due to illness. Of the thirty-nine remaining, thirteen have been recommended for release but remain imprisoned. Twelve out of the original 780 (or 1.5 percent) have been charged with or convicted of crimes and remain in Guantánamo. The remaining fourteen individuals continue to be held without trial in indefinite detention.
  - rich_sasha 2y ago
    Pretty sobering read.
    - 6510 2y ago
      Imagine spending 13 million per year to detain a 16 year old over accusations. 35 k per day. It only makes sense if those arranging this get a kick out of seeing what they can get away with.
      - rvnx 2y ago
        Cheaper than playing golf ($26M USD year-to-date)
  - yencabulator 2y ago
    *released without ever having been formally charged* is such a damning statement on how they were tortured without a reason.

rich_sasha 2y ago

With no endorsement of what went on in Gitmo, at least it was mostly people accused of truly terrible crimes. Isn't the Salvador cohort literally mostly random people? EDIT: by "random people" I meant the ones deported from the US, not people arrested in El Salvador.

saagarjha 2y ago
The accusation is that they are gang members or terrorists. Unfortunately, looking at the accusation doesn't really change what is going on here.
- rich_sasha 2y ago
  Well, I think two horrible things can be unequal, one can be more horrible than the other.
croes 2y ago
Guantanamo: random people accused of being part of Al-Qaeda El Salvador: random people accused of being part of Tren de Aragua
ty6853 2y ago
No, most of CECOT is prisoners arrested within El Salvador. Only a small section is previously US domiciled persons. The US only funded 300 of the available 40,000 slots. Most of them were from domestic gang round-ups, though I'm sure that process was highly imperfect. So Mr. Garcia will be surrounded by a gigantic cohort of legitimate, full body 'MS-13' tattood, hard hitting gang members. If he wasn't in a gang before he likely is now, or getting the living shit beat out of him because he lacks gang protection.
- orwin 2y ago
  Wasn't he in the US because he was fleeing the gangs? Or is it another deportee?
  - ty6853 2y ago
    Yes he was fleeing the gangs so they sent him to be locked up with the gang that wanted to kill him.
    - selimthegrim 2y ago
      They sent him towards the brothel to get away from the brothel.
  - kyleee 2y ago
    I don’t believe there was any claim of asylum, rather he was ruled to be deported in around 2019, and held to be deportable on appeal, and then he failed to deport and was once again apprehended in 2025. His status changed when MS13 was designated a terrorist group (he was adjudicated to belong to MS13 during the deportation proceedings) which did away with his special request to not be sent to El Salvador.
    - ty6853 2y ago
      He claimed asylum but it was denied because it was too late. After the deportation order there was an order of withholding from deportation, after which it appears he was granted some form of work authorization and parole with annual check ins. Nevertheless I strongly believe if the US had just dumped him in a village in El Salvador none of this would be news. They have done that to US citizens and hardly anyone noticed. The real story is he was sent into an experimental contract foreign prison at the behest of the government and the violation of the withholding order provides the wedge to challenge it and eventually wedge to make it easier to challenge more happenings at CECOT. Even if he is an MS13 member, the government never used due process to withdraw the withholding of removal order that they are claiming should no longer exist.
    - 2y ago
miles 2y ago
> [A]t least [Gitmo] was mostly people accused of truly terrible crimes. Factsheet: The Human Cost of Guantánamo Bay Detention Camp https://bridge.georgetown.edu/research/factsheet-the-human-cost-of-guantanamo-bay-detention-camp/ https://bridge.georgetown.edu/research/factsheet-the-human-c... > Since its founding in 2002, Guantánamo Bay military prison has held 780 adults and minors from around fifty different countries, all of whom are Muslim. As of 2022, 732 of them (or 94 percent) have been released without ever having been formally charged. Nine men have died in custody, seven by apparent suicide and two due to illness. Of the thirty-nine remaining, thirteen have been recommended for release but remain imprisoned. Twelve out of the original 780 (or 1.5 percent) have been charged with or convicted of crimes and remain in Guantánamo. The remaining fourteen individuals continue to be held without trial in indefinite detention.
- rich_sasha 2y ago
  Pretty sobering read.
  - 6510 2y ago
    Imagine spending 13 million per year to detain a 16 year old over accusations. 35 k per day. It only makes sense if those arranging this get a kick out of seeing what they can get away with.
    - rvnx 2y ago
      Cheaper than playing golf ($26M USD year-to-date)
- yencabulator 2y ago
  *released without ever having been formally charged* is such a damning statement on how they were tortured without a reason.