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Nitpicking? Minor quibble? It was the major point that the user brought up. > Just a good time to remember that the same guy who thinks tariffs are a good idea

Nitpicking? Minor quibble? It was the major point that the user brought up. > Just a good time to remember that the same guy who thinks tariffs are a good idea is the guy who stood at a podium during Covid next to the world’s leading expert and suggested injecting bleach into Covid patients was a good idea. First sentence, right here. It's complete dishonest framing to make what Trump said seem as bad as possible. Which just goes back to the parent user's comment: > Everyone on both sides automatically thinks the worst about everyone on the other side these days, usually just to score some internet points.

freejazz 1y ago
>Nitpicking? Minor quibble? It was the major point that the user brought up. Not really. The major point the user brought up: "I would not say anyone is ‘automatically’ questioning Trump’s character or intelligence. There is plenty of evidence he has neither." That's like reading comprehension 101. >First sentence, right here. It's complete dishonest framing to make what Trump said seem as bad as possible. Which just goes back to the parent user's comment: Not really. >> Everyone on both sides automatically thinks the worst about everyone on the other side these days, usually just to score some internet points. Exactly what you did to the other poster. The other poster was clearly saying there is great reason to not assume the best about Trump. Your response? Ignore that and bicker about a minor detail.
- arandomusername 1y ago
  And the bleach argument was the supporting argument for the statement regarding intelligence. > Not really. Yes really. > Exactly what you did to the other poster. The other poster was clearly saying there is great reason to not assume the best about Trump. Your response? Ignore that and bicker about a minor detail. No. The poster used that bleach argument as the reason here - which is a completely dishonest argument. It's not a minor detail. Is this how the discussion should go, in your dream world? - Trump is bad! - Trump is good! - Trump is bad! Since, according to you, actually discussing the exact cases/reasoning brought up is quibbling over minor details, nitpicking.
  - freejazz 1y ago
    >And the bleach argument was the supporting argument for the statement regarding intelligence. It was but one example of a list much longer than the post you responded to, which anyone who was fair would recognize. >Yes really. No, not really. >No. The poster used that bleach argument as the reason here - which is a completely dishonest argument. It's not a minor detail. The bleach argument was one example and you're being nitpicky about it anyway. >Is this how the discussion should go, in your dream world? Strawman. >Since, according to you, actually discussing the exact cases/reasoning brought up is quibbling over minor details, nitpicking. You're not engaging the substance of his argument while decrying that exact failure in everyone else. You say people should focus on main points and not quibble about small details and it's exactly what you are doing. When did you engage with the main point that Trump has poor character and is unintelligent? You didn't. You're bickering about whether or not he literally said inject bleach. Okay, throw out the bleach part. The point still stands but you don't want to discuss it because you just want to quibble about the bleach. It's a complete waste of time for anyone interested in engaging in a conversation. Maybe he was wrong, maybe he misremembered, maybe in this one instance he isn't being fair. You don't engage in any of that and you assumed the worst. It's exactly what you're complaining about and I'm not going to sit here repeating myself because you like to argue.
    - arandomusername 1y ago
      > It was but one example of a list much longer than the post you responded to, which anyone who was fair would recognize. "Anyone who is fair would see it exactly how I see it!" > No, not really. Yes, really. Wonderful way to have a conversation, isn't it. Everything else in your response is nitpicking and hanging up over minor details! > The bleach argument was one example and you're being nitpicky about it anyway. The other example was groping. So I refuted half the points the user made, pretty major to me. It's not being nitpicky, it's major difference. If I said Kamala wanted to establish soviet like price controls, people would rightfully correct that and that wouldn't be nitpicky or hanging up over minor details. > Strawman. No, you are just nitpicking. > When did you engage with the main point that Trump has poor character and is unintelligent? I did, by engaging in the DIRECT argument that the user provided for him being unintelligent. User said "Trump did X. He is unintelligent". I'm supposed to say "ohh no but he is intelligent" completely ignoring the reasoning for his conclusion? In an actual conversation, you engage the reasons provided - otherwise it just turns into unproductive "no/yes/no/yes" conversation.

freejazz 1y ago

>Nitpicking? Minor quibble? It was the major point that the user brought up. Not really. The major point the user brought up: "I would not say anyone is ‘automatically’ questioning Trump’s character or intelligence. There is plenty of evidence he has neither." That's like reading comprehension 101. >First sentence, right here. It's complete dishonest framing to make what Trump said seem as bad as possible. Which just goes back to the parent user's comment: Not really. >> Everyone on both sides automatically thinks the worst about everyone on the other side these days, usually just to score some internet points. Exactly what you did to the other poster. The other poster was clearly saying there is great reason to not assume the best about Trump. Your response? Ignore that and bicker about a minor detail.

arandomusername 1y ago
And the bleach argument was the supporting argument for the statement regarding intelligence. > Not really. Yes really. > Exactly what you did to the other poster. The other poster was clearly saying there is great reason to not assume the best about Trump. Your response? Ignore that and bicker about a minor detail. No. The poster used that bleach argument as the reason here - which is a completely dishonest argument. It's not a minor detail. Is this how the discussion should go, in your dream world? - Trump is bad! - Trump is good! - Trump is bad! Since, according to you, actually discussing the exact cases/reasoning brought up is quibbling over minor details, nitpicking.
- freejazz 1y ago
  >And the bleach argument was the supporting argument for the statement regarding intelligence. It was but one example of a list much longer than the post you responded to, which anyone who was fair would recognize. >Yes really. No, not really. >No. The poster used that bleach argument as the reason here - which is a completely dishonest argument. It's not a minor detail. The bleach argument was one example and you're being nitpicky about it anyway. >Is this how the discussion should go, in your dream world? Strawman. >Since, according to you, actually discussing the exact cases/reasoning brought up is quibbling over minor details, nitpicking. You're not engaging the substance of his argument while decrying that exact failure in everyone else. You say people should focus on main points and not quibble about small details and it's exactly what you are doing. When did you engage with the main point that Trump has poor character and is unintelligent? You didn't. You're bickering about whether or not he literally said inject bleach. Okay, throw out the bleach part. The point still stands but you don't want to discuss it because you just want to quibble about the bleach. It's a complete waste of time for anyone interested in engaging in a conversation. Maybe he was wrong, maybe he misremembered, maybe in this one instance he isn't being fair. You don't engage in any of that and you assumed the worst. It's exactly what you're complaining about and I'm not going to sit here repeating myself because you like to argue.
  - arandomusername 1y ago
    > It was but one example of a list much longer than the post you responded to, which anyone who was fair would recognize. "Anyone who is fair would see it exactly how I see it!" > No, not really. Yes, really. Wonderful way to have a conversation, isn't it. Everything else in your response is nitpicking and hanging up over minor details! > The bleach argument was one example and you're being nitpicky about it anyway. The other example was groping. So I refuted half the points the user made, pretty major to me. It's not being nitpicky, it's major difference. If I said Kamala wanted to establish soviet like price controls, people would rightfully correct that and that wouldn't be nitpicky or hanging up over minor details. > Strawman. No, you are just nitpicking. > When did you engage with the main point that Trump has poor character and is unintelligent? I did, by engaging in the DIRECT argument that the user provided for him being unintelligent. User said "Trump did X. He is unintelligent". I'm supposed to say "ohh no but he is intelligent" completely ignoring the reasoning for his conclusion? In an actual conversation, you engage the reasons provided - otherwise it just turns into unproductive "no/yes/no/yes" conversation.