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I don't go to the doctor a often as I should. I went recently and I could sense my doctor gear up for a sales pitch on catching up on my vaccines (it wasn't b

by duxup 2y ago

I don't go to the doctor a often as I should. I went recently and I could sense my doctor gear up for a sales pitch on catching up on my vaccines (it wasn't behind as much as it was time for a new TDAP. I stopped them and told them they didn't have to sell me on them I was cool with it. It's sad doctors have to spend their time on things that are clear benefits to people (and the people around them) like that.

palmotea 2y ago
> It's sad doctors have to spend their time on things that are clear benefits to people (and the people around them) like that. Honestly, I don't think it is. It's probably a big, big component of vaccine hesitancy is that doctors/media/government (collectively) dropped the ball on explaining the "clear benefits to people," so the narrative got away from them. They tried to course correct with arguments from authority ("We, the medical profession say this is good, so comply!") and ridicule/shame ("Vaccines are good, if you have doubts you are stupid or malicious"), but that just made people dig in. What they should have done is show, "This is what measles looks like, and this is what it could happen to your kid if they get it. This vaccine will prevent that." For like 50 years, they were coasting on people's 1st hand experience with diseases like measles to drive vaccine acceptance, but when that experience is 3rd or 4th hand, they can't coast anymore.
- Scoundreller 2y ago
  “The big book of British smiles” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF5mH_ggZv0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF5mH_ggZv0
- deleted 2y ago
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- dfxm12 2y ago
  Who are "they"? Doctors? Do you have quotes to back this up? Because if we're considering the cause of vaccine hesitancy during COVID-19, every component was dwarfed by the full force of conservatives media, politicians and social media influencers lying about the vaccines.
  - palmotea 2y ago
    > Who are "they"? "doctors/media/government (collectively)" > Do you have quotes to back this up? I was there, I don't have time to dig up quotes for you. But if quotes will satisfy you, they shouldn't be too hard to fine yourself. > Because if we're considering the cause of vaccine hesitancy during COVID-19, every component was dwarfed by the full force of conservatives media, politicians and social media influencers lying about the vaccines. My point is by that time the public health apparatus had already dropped the ball on vaccines. Also, your precis reads as a convenient partisan narrative, with others taking all the blame. Nothing is really that simple. IMHO, it's far more helpful to think about how your side messed up, rather than dwelling on the other side.
trollbridge 2y ago
I was living overseas (Australia) and went into the GP to request the 10 year booster for TDAP as I have been accustomed to thinking is necessary. The doctor just laughed and said "You must have spent time in America." The only recommendation for TDAP for adults is during pregnancy. See https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0031/989113/qld-immunisation-schedule-adolescent-adult.pdf https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0031/98... Meanwhile, in the UK, the T and D of TDAP are given just once (part of Td/IPV), with the P given only to pregnant women. See https://www.nhs.uk/vaccinations/nhs-vaccinations-and-when-to-have-them/ https://www.nhs.uk/vaccinations/nhs-vaccinations-and-when-to... Upon return to the U.S., my doctor strongly recommended getting the TDAP again since it had been well over 10 years, with 5 shots for kids and then again every 10 years. See https://www.cdc.gov/diphtheria/hcp/vaccine-recommendations/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/diphtheria/hcp/vaccine-recommendations/i... I will admit that now I have no idea what the actual best schedule for these is.
- duxup 2y ago
  We've had whooping cough in the US make the rounds in some areas so that might play into it. Having said that some googling indicates Australia does seem to generally recommend it: https://immunisationhandbook.health.gov.au/contents/vaccine-preventable-diseases/pertussis-whooping-cough https://immunisationhandbook.health.gov.au/contents/vaccine-...
  - trollbridge 2y ago
    Unless you’ve got some other risk factor, it’s only recommended for adults once they hit age 65. U.S. just tells everyone to get a TDAP (not just pertussis) every 10 years. Obviously, one is right and one is wrong, who knows which one.
- dboreham 2y ago
  See also wisdom teeth extraction.
  - trollbridge 2y ago

by duxup 2y ago

palmotea 2y ago

> It's sad doctors have to spend their time on things that are clear benefits to people (and the people around them) like that. Honestly, I don't think it is. It's probably a big, big component of vaccine hesitancy is that doctors/media/government (collectively) dropped the ball on explaining the "clear benefits to people," so the narrative got away from them. They tried to course correct with arguments from authority ("We, the medical profession say this is good, so comply!") and ridicule/shame ("Vaccines are good, if you have doubts you are stupid or malicious"), but that just made people dig in. What they should have done is show, "This is what measles looks like, and this is what it could happen to your kid if they get it. This vaccine will prevent that." For like 50 years, they were coasting on people's 1st hand experience with diseases like measles to drive vaccine acceptance, but when that experience is 3rd or 4th hand, they can't coast anymore.

Scoundreller 2y ago
“The big book of British smiles” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF5mH_ggZv0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF5mH_ggZv0
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dfxm12 2y ago
Who are "they"? Doctors? Do you have quotes to back this up? Because if we're considering the cause of vaccine hesitancy during COVID-19, every component was dwarfed by the full force of conservatives media, politicians and social media influencers lying about the vaccines.
- palmotea 2y ago
  > Who are "they"? "doctors/media/government (collectively)" > Do you have quotes to back this up? I was there, I don't have time to dig up quotes for you. But if quotes will satisfy you, they shouldn't be too hard to fine yourself. > Because if we're considering the cause of vaccine hesitancy during COVID-19, every component was dwarfed by the full force of conservatives media, politicians and social media influencers lying about the vaccines. My point is by that time the public health apparatus had already dropped the ball on vaccines. Also, your precis reads as a convenient partisan narrative, with others taking all the blame. Nothing is really that simple. IMHO, it's far more helpful to think about how your side messed up, rather than dwelling on the other side.

trollbridge 2y ago

I was living overseas (Australia) and went into the GP to request the 10 year booster for TDAP as I have been accustomed to thinking is necessary. The doctor just laughed and said "You must have spent time in America." The only recommendation for TDAP for adults is during pregnancy. See https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0031/989113/qld-immunisation-schedule-adolescent-adult.pdf https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0031/98... Meanwhile, in the UK, the T and D of TDAP are given just once (part of Td/IPV), with the P given only to pregnant women. See https://www.nhs.uk/vaccinations/nhs-vaccinations-and-when-to-have-them/ https://www.nhs.uk/vaccinations/nhs-vaccinations-and-when-to... Upon return to the U.S., my doctor strongly recommended getting the TDAP again since it had been well over 10 years, with 5 shots for kids and then again every 10 years. See https://www.cdc.gov/diphtheria/hcp/vaccine-recommendations/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/diphtheria/hcp/vaccine-recommendations/i... I will admit that now I have no idea what the actual best schedule for these is.

duxup 2y ago
We've had whooping cough in the US make the rounds in some areas so that might play into it. Having said that some googling indicates Australia does seem to generally recommend it: https://immunisationhandbook.health.gov.au/contents/vaccine-preventable-diseases/pertussis-whooping-cough https://immunisationhandbook.health.gov.au/contents/vaccine-...
- trollbridge 2y ago
  Unless you’ve got some other risk factor, it’s only recommended for adults once they hit age 65. U.S. just tells everyone to get a TDAP (not just pertussis) every 10 years. Obviously, one is right and one is wrong, who knows which one.
dboreham 2y ago
See also wisdom teeth extraction.
- trollbridge 2y ago