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Treating people with dignity is “business hostile”… welcome to Hacker News comment section.
by ryandrake 2y ago
Treating people with dignity is “business hostile”… welcome to Hacker News comment section.
- asadalt 2y ago[flagged]
- piva00 2y agoPlans change, and so they should be communicated and negotiated with the employees going to be affected by the change. It's the dignified way of doing it, people are people, not fungible commodities, treat them as people and unions won't be an issue at all. > unions are just corporate blackmailing. This is such an absurdly ignorant take that is hard to start educating you, it also depends a lot on what society you live in since your view on unions will be tainted by what you see in it. In places like the Nordics, unions are one of the cornerstones of a free labour market, look up how Sweden has a freer labour market than the USA to learn something at least :)
- Majestic121 2y agoI don't even disagree with you, but your way of argumenting is terrible and actively deterring people from your point that union are a core component of a healthy free market. If your point is to score virtue point, keep at it, but if you actually want to change anyone mind, avoid terms like "is hard to start educating you", it just makes you sound like a douche
- piva00 2y agoI was being very honest, it is hard to start educating someone coming from that position since there is so much bullshit wrapped around a statement like "unions are just corporate blackmailing" which is hard to pull apart without knowing how the person came to that conclusion. I don't even think it's possible to change someone's mind who already think that way, since it's purely from a point of absolute ignorance and I'm not willing to put enough effort to cite literature that could give them good starting points to understand something they are very likely not even willing to start understanding. They have a lazy position, I reply lazily. They have an ideological position, based on ignorance, and from a single statement it's pretty clear they aren't curious and willing to change their mind. Hence why I cite to look into how unions work in the Nordics, at least that is a starting point if they want to learn more about labour movements. It takes someone being curious though. In the end, it was absolutely honest: it is hard to start educating someone who holds that position a priori and based on pure ignorance, and if not ignorance it's maliciousness, there's not much of a spectrum in this case.
- izietto 2y agoIt's more like "welcome to US mindset" IMHO
- scarface_74 2y agoI work for a paycheck. I can’t exchange “dignity” for goods and services. The guy got paid nice compensation for his labor.
- ryandrake 2y agoTherefore, let's throw everything non-monetary under the bus because work should be purely transactional?
- scarface_74 2y agoWhat else should it be? Do you believe that your company is like “your family”? Your coworkers or especially your manager are “your friends”? Why else do you go to work?
- ryandrake 2y agoI don't believe my office is my family, but I expect to at least be treated with a baseline level of decency, civility, dignity, respect, and kindness, which are non-monetary and (by my reading of your post) unnecessary in your office full of Vulcans. The fact that these things are seen as optional and unimportant explains a lot of what's happened to public discourse.
- scarface_74 2y agoWas it indecent for Google to lay someone off, remove all access and give him 16 weeks of severance + two additional weeks for each year of service?
- ryandrake 2y agoI didn't say anything about Google.
- scarface_74 2y ago