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So they vote for the shenanigans? As that’s what they did. The American people basically legalized fraud and looting for the next four years.

api 1y ago
They vote for the person who is not saying "we will continue business as usual," which has been the Democrat message. The Democrats have succeeded at suppressing the populist wing of their party, which led to them being defeated by the populist wing of the Republican Party.
- Whoppertime 1y ago
  People wouldn't be saying "they basically legalized fraud and looting for the next four years" if Bernie Sanders was President. People don't really see the populist left and populist right the same way.
  - api 1y ago
    Sanders was not a choice. I didn’t vote for Trump but I get it and him winning doesn’t surprise me.
    - salawat 1y ago
      And whose fault is that? The DNC's. You had a man explicitly calling out so much of what ails this country, and instead of elevating him, they shunned him because think of the billionaire donors. FAFO of the highest order.
  - deleted 1y ago
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- LeafItAlone 1y ago
  Well that was very short sighted. Because the other person was clearly saying how they’d make it much much worse. But nobody had ever accused the voting public of the U.S. of being able to see the past the end of their nose. https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2024/project-2025-could-become-a-political-reality-that-would-upend-medical-practice/ https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2024/project-2025-could...
whatwhaaaaat 1y ago
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giuseppe_petri 1y ago
> legalized fraud and looting That's just government in a nutshell, regardless of country, party, political leanings, etc. How does it go? "What's the difference between government and organised crime? One of them is organised."
- monetus 1y ago
  This worldview kind of unfairly discredits the beauracrats who aren't awful, which seem to outnumber the grifters? From the perspective of say DOGE, there is plenty of reason not to fire the former out of zeal for chasing the latter.
  - zzrrt 1y ago
    I wouldn’t be so sure DOGE has such restraint or good faith. Vance said in 2021, “I think what Trump should do, if I was giving him one piece of advice: Fire every single midlevel bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state, and replace them with our people.” https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/16/24266512/jd-vance-curtis-yarvin-influence-rage-project-2025 https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/16/24266512/jd-vance-curtis...
    - monetus 1y ago
      Hard agree; I think they have neither. They are sycophants. I was assuming good faith for some reason just to make a point.
  - monetus 1y ago
    Bureaucrats*
redczar 1y ago
The system needs a major overhaul. The DNC was making sure that did not happen while they had power. Instead of an orderly rewrite a wrecking ball was put in power. The DNC today is like Kerensky in 1917.
- the_snooze 1y ago
  The Democrats have repeatedly shown they are feckless, ineffective, and beholden to special interests. In California where they are a supermajority, they can't make any progress on the much-touted high speed rail system because everyone wants their piece of the pie. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/09/us/california-high-speed-rail-politics.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/09/us/california-high-speed-... >“SNCF was very angry. They told the state they were leaving for North Africa, which was less politically dysfunctional." No surprise that enough people would say "we gotta do something else."
  - redczar 1y ago
    Yeah. The people who keep touting how the alternative to the Democrats is much worse don’t understand that voting for the less bad option, over time, leads to the same bad outcome. Just takes longer to get there. They also don’t understand human behavior. It’s unappealing to keep voting for the less bad option. It makes people lose interest in voting.
    - spiderfarmer 1y ago
      That’s a great way to put it.
- sterlind 1y ago
  > The DNC today is like Kerensky in 1917. Or the Weimar Republic in 1932, say. Apparently its economy was in shambles. But that gives me no sympathy for those that installed its successor.
phendrenad2 1y ago
Is there something in the water here on HN that prevents people from differentiating between intent and outcome..?
- throwawaysleep 1y ago
  The party put in power did not even claim to oppose those things. The man put in power did the opposite when he was last in power. As an analogy, I understand why someone might not trust the Boeing 737 Max. I would consider them in need of a court appointed guardian if they determined the alternative was to jump off a building as a safer way to fly.
- ceejayoz 1y ago
  “I didn’t mean to kill anyone” only counts if it wasn’t obvious you were going to kill someone. The outcome here was obviously what was going to happen. They promised these actions.
  - phendrenad2 1y ago
    You're not the OP, so I'll cut you some slack, but: You really need to read the thread so far, instead of just commenting. Because as it stands, you're defending the idea that MAGA Republicans voted specifically to allow Trump et al. to loot the government. Is that what you believe? See how silly you look? Next time, READ! It's easy!

api 1y ago

They vote for the person who is not saying "we will continue business as usual," which has been the Democrat message. The Democrats have succeeded at suppressing the populist wing of their party, which led to them being defeated by the populist wing of the Republican Party.

Whoppertime 1y ago
People wouldn't be saying "they basically legalized fraud and looting for the next four years" if Bernie Sanders was President. People don't really see the populist left and populist right the same way.
- api 1y ago
  Sanders was not a choice. I didn’t vote for Trump but I get it and him winning doesn’t surprise me.
  - salawat 1y ago
    And whose fault is that? The DNC's. You had a man explicitly calling out so much of what ails this country, and instead of elevating him, they shunned him because think of the billionaire donors. FAFO of the highest order.
- deleted 1y ago
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LeafItAlone 1y ago
Well that was very short sighted. Because the other person was clearly saying how they’d make it much much worse. But nobody had ever accused the voting public of the U.S. of being able to see the past the end of their nose. https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2024/project-2025-could-become-a-political-reality-that-would-upend-medical-practice/ https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2024/project-2025-could...

whatwhaaaaat 1y ago

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giuseppe_petri 1y ago

> legalized fraud and looting That's just government in a nutshell, regardless of country, party, political leanings, etc. How does it go? "What's the difference between government and organised crime? One of them is organised."

monetus 1y ago
This worldview kind of unfairly discredits the beauracrats who aren't awful, which seem to outnumber the grifters? From the perspective of say DOGE, there is plenty of reason not to fire the former out of zeal for chasing the latter.
- zzrrt 1y ago
  I wouldn’t be so sure DOGE has such restraint or good faith. Vance said in 2021, “I think what Trump should do, if I was giving him one piece of advice: Fire every single midlevel bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state, and replace them with our people.” https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/16/24266512/jd-vance-curtis-yarvin-influence-rage-project-2025 https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/16/24266512/jd-vance-curtis...
  - monetus 1y ago
    Hard agree; I think they have neither. They are sycophants. I was assuming good faith for some reason just to make a point.
- monetus 1y ago
  Bureaucrats*

redczar 1y ago

The system needs a major overhaul. The DNC was making sure that did not happen while they had power. Instead of an orderly rewrite a wrecking ball was put in power. The DNC today is like Kerensky in 1917.

the_snooze 1y ago
The Democrats have repeatedly shown they are feckless, ineffective, and beholden to special interests. In California where they are a supermajority, they can't make any progress on the much-touted high speed rail system because everyone wants their piece of the pie. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/09/us/california-high-speed-rail-politics.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/09/us/california-high-speed-... >“SNCF was very angry. They told the state they were leaving for North Africa, which was less politically dysfunctional." No surprise that enough people would say "we gotta do something else."
- redczar 1y ago
  Yeah. The people who keep touting how the alternative to the Democrats is much worse don’t understand that voting for the less bad option, over time, leads to the same bad outcome. Just takes longer to get there. They also don’t understand human behavior. It’s unappealing to keep voting for the less bad option. It makes people lose interest in voting.
  - spiderfarmer 1y ago
    That’s a great way to put it.
sterlind 1y ago
> The DNC today is like Kerensky in 1917. Or the Weimar Republic in 1932, say. Apparently its economy was in shambles. But that gives me no sympathy for those that installed its successor.

phendrenad2 1y ago

Is there something in the water here on HN that prevents people from differentiating between intent and outcome..?

throwawaysleep 1y ago
The party put in power did not even claim to oppose those things. The man put in power did the opposite when he was last in power. As an analogy, I understand why someone might not trust the Boeing 737 Max. I would consider them in need of a court appointed guardian if they determined the alternative was to jump off a building as a safer way to fly.
ceejayoz 1y ago
“I didn’t mean to kill anyone” only counts if it wasn’t obvious you were going to kill someone. The outcome here was obviously what was going to happen. They promised these actions.
- phendrenad2 1y ago
  You're not the OP, so I'll cut you some slack, but: You really need to read the thread so far, instead of just commenting. Because as it stands, you're defending the idea that MAGA Republicans voted specifically to allow Trump et al. to loot the government. Is that what you believe? See how silly you look? Next time, READ! It's easy!