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"useful hallucination" so much AI glazing its crazy

by zwnow 2y ago

brookst 2y ago
“Glazing” is such performative rhetoric its hilarious
- Izkata 2y ago
  It's (I'm pretty sure) Gen Z slang. I only started hearing it sometime this year.
reaperducer 2y ago
"useful hallucination" so much AI glazing its crazy I'm still a fan of the standard term "lying." Intent, or a lack thereof, doesn't matter. It's still a lie.
- marcosdumay 2y ago
  If intent doesn't matter, is it still lying when the reality happens to coincide with what the machine says? Because the OP's name seems way more descriptive and easier to generalize.
- diggan 2y ago
  So you're saying deliberate deception, mistaken statements and negligent falsehoods should all be considered the same thing, regardless? Personally, I'd be scared if LLMs were proven to be deliberately deceptive, but I think they currently fall in the two later camps, if we're doing human analogies.
  - codr7 2y ago
    Have you asked your LLMs if they're capable of lying? Did the answers strike you as deceptive?
- Alupis 2y ago
  Intent does matter if you want to classify things as lies. If someone told you it's Thursday when it's really Wednesday, we would not necessary say they lied. We would say they were mistaken, if the intent was to tell you the correct day of the week. If they intended to mislead you, then we would say they lied. So intent does matter. AI isn't lying, it intends to provide you with accurate information.
  - ptx 2y ago
    The AI doesn't intend anything. It produces, without intent, something that would be called lies if it came from a human. It produces the industrial-scale mass-produced equivalent of lies – it's effectively an automated lying machine. Maybe we should call the output "synthetic lies" to distinguish it it from the natural lies produced by humans?
    - simonw 2y ago
      There is actually an acknowledged term of art for this: "bullshit". Summary from Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit > statements produced without particular concern for truth, clarity, or meaning, distinguishing "bullshit" from a deliberate, manipulative lie intended to subvert the truth It's a perfect fit for how LLMs treat "truth": they don't know so that can't care.
      - docmechanic 2y ago
        I’m imagining your comment read by George Carlin … if only he were still here to play with this. You know he would.
      - bombcar 2y ago
        Elwood: What was I gonna do? Take away your only hope? Take away the very thing that kept you going in there? I took the liberty of bullshitting you. Jake: You lied to me. Elwood: Wasn't lies, it was just... bullshit.
  - SoftTalker 2y ago

"useful hallucination" so much AI glazing its crazy

by zwnow 2y ago

"useful hallucination" so much AI glazing its crazy

brookst 2y ago

“Glazing” is such performative rhetoric its hilarious

Izkata 2y ago
It's (I'm pretty sure) Gen Z slang. I only started hearing it sometime this year.

reaperducer 2y ago

"useful hallucination" so much AI glazing its crazy I'm still a fan of the standard term "lying." Intent, or a lack thereof, doesn't matter. It's still a lie.

marcosdumay 2y ago
If intent doesn't matter, is it still lying when the reality happens to coincide with what the machine says? Because the OP's name seems way more descriptive and easier to generalize.
diggan 2y ago
So you're saying deliberate deception, mistaken statements and negligent falsehoods should all be considered the same thing, regardless? Personally, I'd be scared if LLMs were proven to be deliberately deceptive, but I think they currently fall in the two later camps, if we're doing human analogies.
- codr7 2y ago
  Have you asked your LLMs if they're capable of lying? Did the answers strike you as deceptive?
Alupis 2y ago
Intent does matter if you want to classify things as lies. If someone told you it's Thursday when it's really Wednesday, we would not necessary say they lied. We would say they were mistaken, if the intent was to tell you the correct day of the week. If they intended to mislead you, then we would say they lied. So intent does matter. AI isn't lying, it intends to provide you with accurate information.
- ptx 2y ago
  The AI doesn't intend anything. It produces, without intent, something that would be called lies if it came from a human. It produces the industrial-scale mass-produced equivalent of lies – it's effectively an automated lying machine. Maybe we should call the output "synthetic lies" to distinguish it it from the natural lies produced by humans?
  - simonw 2y ago
    There is actually an acknowledged term of art for this: "bullshit". Summary from Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit > statements produced without particular concern for truth, clarity, or meaning, distinguishing "bullshit" from a deliberate, manipulative lie intended to subvert the truth It's a perfect fit for how LLMs treat "truth": they don't know so that can't care.
    - docmechanic 2y ago
      I’m imagining your comment read by George Carlin … if only he were still here to play with this. You know he would.
    - bombcar 2y ago
      Elwood: What was I gonna do? Take away your only hope? Take away the very thing that kept you going in there? I took the liberty of bullshitting you. Jake: You lied to me. Elwood: Wasn't lies, it was just... bullshit.
- SoftTalker 2y ago