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If states can’t trust the federal government to disperse funds in a fair manner then the reason for being part of the union ceases to exist. Secession becomes

If states can’t trust the federal government to disperse funds in a fair manner then the reason for being part of the union ceases to exist. Secession becomes a reasonable response.

seanmcdirmid 2y ago
Ya, it’s actually required to be fair, but the Supreme Court is totally in Trump’s pocket so it doesn’t really matter how illegal his behavior is. A constitutional convention is highly likely in the next few years (our first since the 70s).
krapp 2y ago
Secession is a pipe dream. No one is going to defy the US to do business with the Republic of Maine. Bigger states like New York or California might be able to go it alone, but being part of a global superpower and having access to its infrastructure and economy isn't something you just give up.
- redczar 2y ago
  The breakup of an empire is always a pipe dream until it occurs. The U.S. will not defy history and last forever. At some point it will fracture.
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> If states can’t trust the federal government to disperse funds in a fair manner then the reason for being part of the union ceases to exist That’s an interesting idea. States have a lot of control over their banks. Just…sanction the federal government. It will get overturned by the courts. But New York, California and other net-payer states withholding payments would create a leverageable mess.
- busyant 2y ago
  > But New York, California and other net-payer states withholding payments would create a leverageable mess. How do you withhold payments, exactly? Do you tell the citizens of Maine to send their federal tax money to the state capital?
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > How do you withhold payments, exactly? Have state bank regulators flag and freeze all payments to the Treasury for 30 days. (Ideally, during a window where your citizens won’t get hit with penalties, i.e. away from April or October 15 and away from the ends of calendar quarters.)
    - busyant 2y ago
      > state bank regulators flag and freeze all payments to the Treasury for 30 days. It's crazy that we're even floating ideas like this. But something like this might actually happen.

If states can’t trust the federal government to disperse funds in a fair manner then the reason for being part of the union ceases to exist. Secession becomes a reasonable response.

seanmcdirmid 2y ago

Ya, it’s actually required to be fair, but the Supreme Court is totally in Trump’s pocket so it doesn’t really matter how illegal his behavior is. A constitutional convention is highly likely in the next few years (our first since the 70s).

krapp 2y ago

Secession is a pipe dream. No one is going to defy the US to do business with the Republic of Maine. Bigger states like New York or California might be able to go it alone, but being part of a global superpower and having access to its infrastructure and economy isn't something you just give up.

redczar 2y ago
The breakup of an empire is always a pipe dream until it occurs. The U.S. will not defy history and last forever. At some point it will fracture.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> If states can’t trust the federal government to disperse funds in a fair manner then the reason for being part of the union ceases to exist That’s an interesting idea. States have a lot of control over their banks. Just…sanction the federal government. It will get overturned by the courts. But New York, California and other net-payer states withholding payments would create a leverageable mess.

busyant 2y ago
> But New York, California and other net-payer states withholding payments would create a leverageable mess. How do you withhold payments, exactly? Do you tell the citizens of Maine to send their federal tax money to the state capital?
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > How do you withhold payments, exactly? Have state bank regulators flag and freeze all payments to the Treasury for 30 days. (Ideally, during a window where your citizens won’t get hit with penalties, i.e. away from April or October 15 and away from the ends of calendar quarters.)
  - busyant 2y ago
    > state bank regulators flag and freeze all payments to the Treasury for 30 days. It's crazy that we're even floating ideas like this. But something like this might actually happen.