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Hamas isn't an army, it's the political party voted into office to administer Gaza. The problem is a subset of it, the Al-Qassam Brigades, that conduct asymmetr
by cantrecallmypwd 2y ago
Hamas isn't an army, it's the political party voted into office to administer Gaza. The problem is a subset of it, the Al-Qassam Brigades, that conduct asymmetric warfare. If that were shutdown and violence were disavowed, that would give them political respect and would cease giving Palestinians a bad name that holds them back from the atrocities committed against them from being recognized.
- throw310822 2y ago> that would give them political respect, cease giving Palestinians a bad name that holds them back from the atrocities committed against them from being recognized Yes the respect Fatah has. Look at the strong words of condemnation from world leaders for the daily pogroms Palestinians are subjected to in the West Bank. Look at the apartheid being enforced there, look at the demolished houses and villages, at the hundreds of illegal settlements, at the ethnic cleansing going on by the day. Hamas is an excuse as good as any. In fact, given its overwhelming power and impunity, Israel makes and chooses its counterparts. If a Palestinian leader looks too good, they can kill him. If the protests are too peaceful, they can shoot a few people until they turn a bit violent. Hamas was promoted to weaken Fatah. And so on. Hamas has proposed multiple times long term ceasefires (10 years) and has recognised the 1967 borders. All these proposals went completely ignored and mostly unmentioned in the Western media because that's not useful to Israel.
- nashashmi 2y agoThe reason is as you say: If someone gets too popular or a leadership looks too promising, Israel shoots them or compromises them. Fatah is seen as corrupt and liberal group too conflicted to create any meaningful movements for Palestinians. Hamas is seen as more sincere movement and has stronger support. They are primarily a social movement with a military wing. And so they are a stronger threat to Israel than Fatah could be. Fatah for its part is compromisable and pliable where as Hamas is a conservative strict disciplined movement with no hope for Israel to corrupt them.
- wordofx 2y ago[flagged]
- dragonwriter 2y ago> Hamas has broken ever cease fire since they took power. Israel has broken every ceasefire, though US media tends to treat Israeli attacks as hiccups and challenges to ceasefires involving Israel and those on the other side as more serious. This is similar to the way that the same linguistic cause/effect separation (sometimes termed the “exonerative tense” or “exonerative mood”) frequently used to deflect responsibility for domestic police violence to Israeli military actions, but not to their opponents on any side.
- wordofx 2y ago> Hamas has proposed multiple times long term ceasefires (10 years) Hamas has broken ever cease fire since they took power. There was a ceasefire in place when they attacked Israel.
- mmooss 2y agoThe Palestinian people should unilaterally disarm and trust Israel's good faith? Trust the world to protect them? You are asking for a lot.
- js4ever 2y agoOh, I thought Hamas and Palestinians are not the same? So they are? Interestingly in WW2 a lot of Germans helped to save Jews. Exactly zero gazans helped to save an hostage. Some civilians even held hostages at home themselves.
- mmooss 2y ago> Exactly zero gazans helped to save an hostage. What is that based on? Hamas is very different than the Nazis. They are holding hostages in a war - they want the hostages to live or the hostages have no value. The Nazis were trying to murder as many people as possible.
- js4ever 2y agoMein kampf is a best seller in gaza based in number of copies found everywhere there. And hamas promised to kill all jews, not only in israel.
- mmooss 2y ago> Mein kampf is a best seller in gaza based in number of copies found everywhere there. Do you have any credible source for that? > And hamas promised to kill all jews, not only in israel. When? And whatever your theory, what I said is what actually happened.
- cantrecallmypwd 2y agoViolent resistance isn't a successful strategy at this point because the Axis of Evil has already won. The correct strategy is to take the moral high ground with nonviolent, peaceful, moral courage in forums other than where there are snipers. It will be risky but the same-old, same-old isn't working. Violence doesn't win political credibility when you're extremely weak, and not in control of the media narrative to manufacture consent or justifications for aid and arms shipments.