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As a lurker on both Bluesky and Twitter, I find Bluesky is a much more hostile place. Twitter is much more absurd but there is not as much anger.
by megaman821 2y ago
As a lurker on both Bluesky and Twitter, I find Bluesky is a much more hostile place. Twitter is much more absurd but there is not as much anger.
- badapple1 2y ago[flagged]
- sundaeofshock 2y agoI’m bad at hints. Can you be explicit and tell us who the bad apples are?
- badapple1 2y ago[flagged]
- sundaeofshock 2y agoI have a much different experience on Twitter. It has a much higher tolerance for racism, misogyny, gay/transphobia, and wild conspiracies. It got much worse after the election and I finally bailed on it after the inauguration. I have not missed it.
- megaman821 2y agoBluesky has all that but just in the anti direction. I was hoping for a more absolute of not disparaging anyone based on their race, gender, or sexual preference.
- deleted 2y ago[deleted]
- mjmsmith 2y agoWhat does "the anti direction" mean? It's mean to racists?
- abhinavk 2y ago[flagged]
- megaman821 2y agoThat it gives no-one pause to make disparaging remarks against white males, and violent allusions towards the outgroup are tolerated. That is not the vibe I want to see. I would hope that, starting fresh, there would be more cultural backlash against racial and gendered stereotypes and violence.
- thatnerdyguy 2y agoThen you block those people, and never see their stupid opinions again.
- sph 2y agoFunny, this is exactly what people had to do on X. So much for a better, healthier platform huh?
- deleted 2y ago[deleted]
- Funes- 2y agoIt figures. One's knee-deep in censorship and the other one is more or less free-for-all, so you get high levels of hostility and an extreme range of ideas respectively from the get go.
- rcleveng 2y agoI just looked at twitter and it seems the sentiment is similar across both platforms. I think this was more of an adobe think than a bluesky thing.
- 63 2y agoI find that the extremes of hostility are worse on bluesky, but the average skeet is much less hostile. And there's just straight up fewer skeets to be angry about.
- lastofthemojito 2y agoBeing familiar only with the street slang for "skeet" and not Bluesky's relatively recent adoption of "skeet" to mean "Bluesky post", my parser really had to do some work to try to understand this sentence.
- chongli 2y agoThat’s deliberate. BlueSky did not want the term “skeet” being adopted but it happened anyway.
- Tabular-Iceberg 2y ago[flagged]
- 65 2y agoHello username neighbor
- Molitor5901 2y agoI'm pretty left leaning and I don't like Bluesky. For me, it's too hostile and too much of an angry echo chamber. X is scattered wildly but I with muting I have been able to shape to get a more reasonable feed.
- ChocolateGod 2y agoLikewise here, the amount of just pure made up crap/misinformation on X has definitely increased (perhaps because accounts get paid for views/engagement now) or the algorithm seems to push it more, but it's not an echo chamber. I have at least 100 words on my X muted word list and it's just about usable.
- nailer 2y agoSame here. I'd agree with many of the political positions on Bluesky but it looks like the left equivalent of what Truth Social is on the right - Bluesky recently started publishing home addresses of DOGE employees, with the intent seeming to be to target them with violence.
- 9283409232 2y ago[flagged]
- _bin_ 2y agoAs is the case with most ideological echo chambers, they devolve into struggle sessions. You find the same thing happening in the niche right-wing movement sections of twitter, it's just "this person is secretly indian/jewish" instead of "this person is secretly a racist/xyzphobe". Twitter has the advantage of a broader range so you can escape that while bluesky is almost exclusively used based on strong ideological motivation. It's raison d'etre at this point is basically and highly political so this was bound to happen.
- jghn 2y agoI don't understand why people struggle with either site. Follow only people you want to see. Both sites allow you to only see posts from those accounts. Problem solved.
- _ea1k 2y agoYeah, I'm surprised by how many here are responding with weird Adobe rants. They posted fairly innocuous stuff, were attacked, and ultimately chose to abandon the platform as a result. This sounds like a bigger indictment of the platform than anything to do with Adobe.
- TremendousJudge 2y agoMaybe the people on the platform don't want it to get filled by bland corporate accounts like twitter did
- bakugo 2y agoYes, they want it to be an echo chamber for one-sided political rants instead. Which is what it is now.
- pembrook 2y agoTwitter/X doesn’t have a problem with corporate accounts. They murdered reach on brand accounts in the algorithm loooong ago (mid 2010s), you basically will never see company tweets in the feed even if you follow them. I think it’s more the fact that bluesky’s core demographic are angry political obsessives (who are angry enough about politics to join a new social network over said politics). I can’t think of a worse way to create a community of people than filtering by “I’m angry about political stuff.” Turns out the old social norm of “don’t talk politics with neighbors” was an example of a good Chestertons fence.
- rchaud 2y agoSince when did a damn website have to be a "platform"? Did anyone ask to chat with Time Warner on the public AOL chatrooms of the 90s? Were Digg users interested in hearing from Blockbuster in the 2000s? Adobe could try to offer virtual "office hours" with employees helping people learn to use the software, give something back to their users. Instead they immediately treated it like another marketing channel with a formulaic and lazy engagement bait question that I'm sure they thought would work the same way it does on Twitter and Instagram.
- newsclues 2y agoNot surprisingly because the community was populated by people who are angry that twitter changed. It’s a community of unhealthy social media addicts
- doright 2y agoSo after the honeymoon with Bluesky ends, what will be the next friendlier social media platform? And after that one? Will this just keep repeating?
- jeffparsons 2y agoIf a new a Twitter/Bluesky replacement is to promote civil discourse, it will need to _restrict_ reach as a core feature. Which... seems antithetical to a social media platform. But as long as "enragement = engagement" holds true, each new social media platform will eventually devolve into the same kind of cesspool as its predecessors.
- thatnerdyguy 2y agoBut...restricted reach is exactly how Bluesky works. People you follow show up in your feed, and only them. You can look at other feeds that are not as restricted, but you are making that choice.
- gs17 2y agoBluesky has the "Discover" feed that is definitely not only people you follow (sometimes, when it feels like it, they'll be on top of it).
- thatnerdyguy 2y agoCorrect. But you choose to look at that feed. It's not the only one available to you. I have like 6 different feeds at any one time.
- Alupis 2y agoPeople will just go back to Twitter/X, again, because despite all the falling-sky predictions it remains the single most important social media platform of our day. Governments around the world announce actual world-changing news on it - kind of all you need to know.
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- nitwit005 2y agoI didn't get much negativity on Twitter, and after moving the Bluesky the same is true. The experience of a person following fantasy football stuff, and another person following politics, will be totally different, regardless of website.
- cosmic_cheese 2y agoI don’t use either lately because I’ve found that to be better for mental health overall, but to me it seemed that Bluesky was generally better about staying “on track” when it comes to showing relevant things, once trained. Xitter really, really likes to veer off course and so much as stopping scrolling for a second while an undesired post is on screen is enough for it to start showing more of the same type. Bsky doesn’t have blue check replies which is a major point in its favor too. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a worthwhile blue check reply, it’s like if one purposefully dredged up the worst YouTube video comments they could find and pinned them at the top.
- gs17 2y ago> but to me it seemed that Bluesky was generally better about staying “on track” when it comes to showing relevant things, once trained. Xitter really, really likes to veer off course and so much as stopping scrolling for a second while an undesired post is on screen is enough for it to start showing more of the same type. What is your "track"? Bluesky seemed to be behaving exactly like you described Twitter, and the only explanation I could come up with was that the process of clicking on a post to block/mute the account (which is what I was told to do to curate my feed) was considered enough engagement that my feed should be more and more of what I don't want any of.
- cosmic_cheese 2y agoFor me at least, Bsky acted that initially but it tapered off after a certain threshold of training. After that it was pretty solid. For Xitter it didn’t matter how much I trained it, eventually it’d insert something I didn’t want to see and even the slightest hint of engagement would push my feed that direction. This could happen even after multiple weeks of training.
- llm_nerd 2y agoBluesky currently has the kuro5hin "A Group Is It's Own Worst Enemy" effect going on. People who think they claimed land first believe that they get to define the future of the service for everyone else. It's obnoxious, and if the service truly offers a real alternative to Twitter it needs to squash these brigading groups. I get that people don't want to see the posts of brands...so don't follow them. It's incredibly simple. I don't want furry content but I don't run around the platform complaining that some do.
- fracus 2y agoIn my experience, that is completely untrue. I think it is more of "you are the company you keep" situation. Bluesky is obviously more socially liberal and therefore, IMO objectively smarter, nicer users and community. On Bluesky you have more control over your experience which makes me wonder how genuine your post is.
- homefree 2y agoBluesky is the worst of old Twitter concentrated into one place. It's some weird mixture of the hall monitors of Mastodon crossed with wannabe members of the weather underground. Like a leftwing Gab full of only Kara Swisher and Taylor Lorenz types. This sort of of faux outrage at adobe is par for the course - its awful over there. X is much more of an ideological mix.
- thatnerdyguy 2y agoMy X experience was far more partisan than Bluesky. Not being able to get away from seeing the latest thoughts of user numero uno was also a turn off.
- huhkerrf 2y agoI've heard it described as Digital Canada, which I think is just the perfect description.
- zifpanachr23 2y agoLmao
- rvz 2y agoI've seen worse. In terms of the most hostile, Mastodon takes the crown.
- juped 2y agoIt's kinda sad to see it become Truth Social But For The Other Team.
- esjeon 2y agoThe Bluesky community is left-leaning and mainly consists of early adopters - basically, a group of active idealists. It's unsurprising that they are highly hostile toward a company with a history of exploitative behavior. Additionally, the current political situation significantly affects their emotional stability, negatively. I mean, yeah, the place is a kind of minefield these days, but I don't blame people. It just happens.
- doctorpangloss 2y agoBluesky’s users love drama.
- deleted 2y ago[deleted]
- whimsicalism 2y agofrankly in some ways the audience for bluesky is more similar to HN, but in like a bad way.
- artursapek 2y ago[flagged]
- throwme_123 2y agoYes, the elephant in the room is Bluesky itself. In my experience, it's way more toxic than Twitter/X.
- devmor 2y agoThe last time I logged into my twitter account (which I use maybe once or twice a year to post about tech or complain to a customer service account) the first thing I saw was a paid ad espousing white nationalism and The Great Replacement conspiracy theory. I have a very hard time believing that Bluesky is more hostile than Twitter.
- cma 2y agoMaybe it shouldn't have been surprising after Democrats removed abolishing the death penalty from their party platform, but all the Mangione stuff on bluesky was pretty sad to see.
- AlexeyBelov 2y agoMario Bros. did nothing wrong
- fullshark 2y agoWell yeah Bluesky is predominantly left wing, and the left wing is angry right now.
- jeroenhd 2y agoSo far, Bluesky hasn't been inserting alt-right nutjobs into my feed like Twitter has. Bluesky seems to focus on curating your own feed, to the point where mass blocklists will block hundreds or thousands of accounts, and not every blocklist is reliable. The "block first, ask questions later" approach is very freeing and I've been practicing it on social media long before it gained traction on Bluesky. I expect the platform will be very painful for people who believe everyone should be subjected to their opinion (the people who will cry censorship because Reddit shadow-banned them). Good riddance, I'd say; they can be happy on Twitter with the rest of their kind. On average, my experience has been a lot better. I'm guessing that's mostly because I had to fight and subdue Twitter to exclusively show me content from the people I follow, combined with social media's general attraction to alt-right nutjobs (and of course, Twitter's owner being an alt-right nutjob doesn't help either).