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This seems circular to me. Observation: The culture has changed to the point where people think you are dumber if order a wine during an interview. You: You a

This seems circular to me. Observation: The culture has changed to the point where people think you are dumber if order a wine during an interview. You: You are dumber!!!!!

DigitalJack 14y ago
It's a dumb move to do something that makes people see you as dumb. Just a fact of life.
- Dylan16807 14y ago
  Ignoring norms is "dumb" in a poor choices / stubborn mule sort of way but not in an actual intellect way. Don't confuse the meanings of the word.
Patient0 14y ago
It is circular but still correct! There are many situations where there are feedback loops like this: For example: Male peacocks grow large tails because this is attractive to peahen mates. It's attractive to peahen mates because their male offspring are also likely to have big tails, which will lead to better reproductive success because they are attractive to peahen mates.... and so on. So a gene that favours big tails will make more copies of itself in the peacock population than some allele that favours smaller tails, even though from a "design" point of view the smaller tail makes more sense (not as heavy to carry around, means you can run fast to avoid getting eaten etc.) There are many equilibria like this: - the bank is going to go bust because everyone wants to take their money out because it looks like the bank is going to go bust... - the credit card company declines your application because you were declined from getting a credit card by another credit card company. - The company doesn't take you in for interview because you've been out of work for 6 months. They'd rather go after someone that already has a job. In all of these cases, although the outcome is often not optimal (e.g. nobody wants the bank to go bust), and often not fair, the individuals making the decisions are behaving perfectly rationally.
- Dylan16807 14y ago
  The criteria there is "better mate". Wilfra could have said "better candidate" and been correct in that way, but they didn't. They said "less intelligent" which seems like a complete non-sequitur to me.
michaelt 14y ago
For a job applicant to think about what a hiring manager would think is normal enough. Is it so unusual for a hiring manager to see if the applicant does that? For a hiring manager to think about whether a job applicant is thinking about what a hiring manager is thinking sounds confusing - but we're thinking about that right now.

This seems circular to me. Observation: The culture has changed to the point where people think you are dumber if order a wine during an interview. You: You are dumber!!!!!

DigitalJack 14y ago

It's a dumb move to do something that makes people see you as dumb. Just a fact of life.

Dylan16807 14y ago
Ignoring norms is "dumb" in a poor choices / stubborn mule sort of way but not in an actual intellect way. Don't confuse the meanings of the word.

Patient0 14y ago

It is circular but still correct! There are many situations where there are feedback loops like this: For example: Male peacocks grow large tails because this is attractive to peahen mates. It's attractive to peahen mates because their male offspring are also likely to have big tails, which will lead to better reproductive success because they are attractive to peahen mates.... and so on. So a gene that favours big tails will make more copies of itself in the peacock population than some allele that favours smaller tails, even though from a "design" point of view the smaller tail makes more sense (not as heavy to carry around, means you can run fast to avoid getting eaten etc.) There are many equilibria like this: - the bank is going to go bust because everyone wants to take their money out because it looks like the bank is going to go bust... - the credit card company declines your application because you were declined from getting a credit card by another credit card company. - The company doesn't take you in for interview because you've been out of work for 6 months. They'd rather go after someone that already has a job. In all of these cases, although the outcome is often not optimal (e.g. nobody wants the bank to go bust), and often not fair, the individuals making the decisions are behaving perfectly rationally.

Dylan16807 14y ago
The criteria there is "better mate". Wilfra could have said "better candidate" and been correct in that way, but they didn't. They said "less intelligent" which seems like a complete non-sequitur to me.

michaelt 14y ago

For a job applicant to think about what a hiring manager would think is normal enough. Is it so unusual for a hiring manager to see if the applicant does that? For a hiring manager to think about whether a job applicant is thinking about what a hiring manager is thinking sounds confusing - but we're thinking about that right now.