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I can't comment on the merit of the technical aspects, but I feel like of all the AI generated content, especially AI generated music is as interesting as AI ge

by heeen2 1y ago

I can't comment on the merit of the technical aspects, but I feel like of all the AI generated content, especially AI generated music is as interesting as AI generated memoirs - sort of pointless. It lacks the human element that makes it relatable on an emotional level.

mbrock 1y ago
sometimes I specifically want to hear music that doesn't have any emotional content
- import 1y ago
  Industrial techno is exactly this
  - pearlsontheroad 1y ago
    I think boredom is still an emotion
    - import 1y ago
      You can listen to generic health insurance advertisement music maybe?
TheRealQueequeg 1y ago
It's giving Daniel Ek a hard-on. Finally, he can replace those arrogant musicians who demand to be paid for their work. /s
- earthnail 1y ago
  What's giving Daniel Ek a hard-on is that the music industry realised AI isn't a big threat. AI first made Spotify's stock plummet from $300 to under $80, and once the realisation kicked in that the music industry is more about fame (i.e. real people other people want to relate to) than music itself, the stock price climbed up to $600.
  - LegitShady 1y ago
    Nah Spotify just realized they could generate their own AI music and pay no one for it.
torben-friis 1y ago
I agree for fully generated work, but I think we’ll eventually reach a sweet spot for assisting tools that retain creativity while removing technical blockers. Things like beat quantization for producers but exponentially better. The trick is going to be surfacing content in the sea of bullshit, though.
- otabdeveloper4 1y ago
  Generative API won't ever be able to do this because generative AI (by its very design) can only do averaged, common-denominator stuff. You need a whole new paradigm of AI/ML stuff to do what you want.
  - torben-friis 1y ago
    I’m not sure I get your point. Is it that you can’t make art with tools that produce average results? If so I really disagree, achieving great results with average building blocks is both feasible and I’d say usual - you can perfectly imagine a greatly useful and successful app where any given individual block of code is nothing to write home about. You can get a great solo of jazz piano over a generated battery filler, you can stitch two recordings by having AI generate the microseconds in the gap, you can produce a melody where AI adds human-like timing micro errors in the synth so doesn’t sound like a robotic rendition, you can rap and generate adlibs as a second voice…
timschmidt 1y ago
You can't convince me this isn't art: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6WWT0Wu2LQg https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6WWT0Wu2LQg
- deleted 1y ago
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- otabdeveloper4 1y ago
  Meme/joke mashups is about the only thing generative AI is good at. Like collage but exponentially better executed technically.
  - timschmidt 1y ago
    No worries, I'm sure it'll never improve. /s
    - otabdeveloper4 1y ago
      It won't. LLMs aren't magic, they're machines built to spec. And their spec is basically "copy-paste with a really good blur filter".
      - timschmidt 1y ago
        Whatever helps you sleep at night. You just described everything: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJPERZDfyWc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJPERZDfyWc The entire evolutionary process which resulted in us and all of human invention can be summed as copy w/ blur; fight; repeat.
        otabdeveloper4 1y ago
        Yes, and people in 18th century used analogies like "humans are just intricate clockwork mechanisms". (Clockwork mechanisms were the most advanced technology at the time.) I bet they thought themselves very smart too.
itchyjunk 1y ago
You will be able to detect any AI music from human music because of the ability to detect this human element? Or are you saying you'll retroactively hate a song once you figure out it was AI generated?
- lesostep 1y ago
  Can't speak for the person, who brought topic up, but I can't detect AI music from any human music. That's to say music rules aren't that hard, you can learn a basic structure, a few popular scales and a write a completely soulless peace yourself. Google "Minor Scale", choose any note as a starter, and here you go. You can even add any popular drum pattern. Soulless music written by humans is dime a dozen. It's out there, people just choose to listen to a better music. Scratch human written, there are algorithms based on music theory that could generate light music endlessly. But the completely original peaces, written by professionals, aiming to express a feeling, are easily distinguishable from any AI song. AI songs doesn't leave you hanging or waiting, it doesn't know the value of breaking a pattern. It's Mozart vs Salieri all over again.
- freejazz 1y ago
  I think the point is more like, MusicAI might give you a progression from a Bob Dylan song, but it can't give you a Bob Dylan song and it will be easy to discern between the two.
- idonotknowwhy 1y ago
  > Or are you saying you'll retroactively hate a song once you figure out it was AI generated? Can't speak for OP, but for me personally, I don't mind AI augmented content, as long as it's done well. Eg. I recently played a game called "Slay the Princess", where they very clearly used Claude to write a lot of the dialogue/narration, but that didn't detract from the experience. On the other hand, I hate it when I open a youtube video and the script is 100% chatgpt slop. Music -- a lot of it is already made using software. If I enjoy listening to it, I don't care how it was made. What about you?

by heeen2 1y ago

mbrock 1y ago

sometimes I specifically want to hear music that doesn't have any emotional content

import 1y ago
Industrial techno is exactly this
- pearlsontheroad 1y ago
  I think boredom is still an emotion
  - import 1y ago
    You can listen to generic health insurance advertisement music maybe?

TheRealQueequeg 1y ago

It's giving Daniel Ek a hard-on. Finally, he can replace those arrogant musicians who demand to be paid for their work. /s

earthnail 1y ago
What's giving Daniel Ek a hard-on is that the music industry realised AI isn't a big threat. AI first made Spotify's stock plummet from $300 to under $80, and once the realisation kicked in that the music industry is more about fame (i.e. real people other people want to relate to) than music itself, the stock price climbed up to $600.
- LegitShady 1y ago
  Nah Spotify just realized they could generate their own AI music and pay no one for it.

torben-friis 1y ago

I agree for fully generated work, but I think we’ll eventually reach a sweet spot for assisting tools that retain creativity while removing technical blockers. Things like beat quantization for producers but exponentially better. The trick is going to be surfacing content in the sea of bullshit, though.

otabdeveloper4 1y ago
Generative API won't ever be able to do this because generative AI (by its very design) can only do averaged, common-denominator stuff. You need a whole new paradigm of AI/ML stuff to do what you want.
- torben-friis 1y ago
  I’m not sure I get your point. Is it that you can’t make art with tools that produce average results? If so I really disagree, achieving great results with average building blocks is both feasible and I’d say usual - you can perfectly imagine a greatly useful and successful app where any given individual block of code is nothing to write home about. You can get a great solo of jazz piano over a generated battery filler, you can stitch two recordings by having AI generate the microseconds in the gap, you can produce a melody where AI adds human-like timing micro errors in the synth so doesn’t sound like a robotic rendition, you can rap and generate adlibs as a second voice…

timschmidt 1y ago

You can't convince me this isn't art: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6WWT0Wu2LQg https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6WWT0Wu2LQg

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otabdeveloper4 1y ago
Meme/joke mashups is about the only thing generative AI is good at. Like collage but exponentially better executed technically.
- timschmidt 1y ago
  No worries, I'm sure it'll never improve. /s
  - otabdeveloper4 1y ago
    It won't. LLMs aren't magic, they're machines built to spec. And their spec is basically "copy-paste with a really good blur filter".
    - timschmidt 1y ago
      Whatever helps you sleep at night. You just described everything: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJPERZDfyWc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJPERZDfyWc The entire evolutionary process which resulted in us and all of human invention can be summed as copy w/ blur; fight; repeat.
      - otabdeveloper4 1y ago
        Yes, and people in 18th century used analogies like "humans are just intricate clockwork mechanisms". (Clockwork mechanisms were the most advanced technology at the time.) I bet they thought themselves very smart too.

itchyjunk 1y ago

You will be able to detect any AI music from human music because of the ability to detect this human element? Or are you saying you'll retroactively hate a song once you figure out it was AI generated?

lesostep 1y ago
Can't speak for the person, who brought topic up, but I can't detect AI music from any human music. That's to say music rules aren't that hard, you can learn a basic structure, a few popular scales and a write a completely soulless peace yourself. Google "Minor Scale", choose any note as a starter, and here you go. You can even add any popular drum pattern. Soulless music written by humans is dime a dozen. It's out there, people just choose to listen to a better music. Scratch human written, there are algorithms based on music theory that could generate light music endlessly. But the completely original peaces, written by professionals, aiming to express a feeling, are easily distinguishable from any AI song. AI songs doesn't leave you hanging or waiting, it doesn't know the value of breaking a pattern. It's Mozart vs Salieri all over again.
freejazz 1y ago
I think the point is more like, MusicAI might give you a progression from a Bob Dylan song, but it can't give you a Bob Dylan song and it will be easy to discern between the two.
idonotknowwhy 1y ago
> Or are you saying you'll retroactively hate a song once you figure out it was AI generated? Can't speak for OP, but for me personally, I don't mind AI augmented content, as long as it's done well. Eg. I recently played a game called "Slay the Princess", where they very clearly used Claude to write a lot of the dialogue/narration, but that didn't detract from the experience. On the other hand, I hate it when I open a youtube video and the script is 100% chatgpt slop. Music -- a lot of it is already made using software. If I enjoy listening to it, I don't care how it was made. What about you?