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More than 1,500 new fonts – including all-time favorites – come to Adobe Fonts
- BigParm 1y agoThey're probably 5 thousand dollars. I would never touch an Adobe link with a 10 foot pole .
- booi 1y agoNono it’s $416/mo. And if you terminate before the 12 months is over then.. yes it’s $5,000
- jamestimmins 1y agoThis seems like a common misunderstanding. Lots of SaaS have cheaper annual pricing. IIUC Adobe lets you get the cheaper annual pricing and then pay for it on a monthly basis. If you cancel early, you have to pay out the rest of your annual plan. This is no different than if you'd paid for it up front, and prevents people from signing up for the annual plan to get a cheaper monthly price and then canceling early.
- beowulfey 1y agoIt is a misunderstanding because Adobe deliberately obfuscates that fact when you purchase such a plan
- wolpoli 1y agoYes, it is really up to Adobe's marketing team to make sure that customers are not misunderstanding the plan. If the misunderstanding continues, then the government might end up stepping in.
- drivingmenuts 1y agoAhahahahahah! Not this government, that's for sure.
- jamestimmins 1y agoIf you look at their plans (https://www.adobe.com/creativecloud/plans.html https://www.adobe.com/creativecloud/plans.html), and select "Annual, billed monthly", it pretty clearly says "Fee applies if you cancel after 14 days."
- jchw 1y agoThis might have something to do with that: https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/06/ftc-takes-action-against-adobe-executives-hiding-fees-preventing-consumers-easily-cancelling https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/06/...
- kranke155 1y agoIt’s completely counter intuitive because most other monthly subscription software does not work like that. Also considering you need to pay for Adobe software to work in certain industries, it is absolute evil.
- gnarlynarwhal42 1y agoIt isn't a monthly subscription. Its an annual subscription broken up into 12 payments. I understand that there was a lawsuit and all that, I read through part of the Adobe thread from the other day. I am not defending Adobe in that regard. If you only want the software for 2-3 months, the month-to-month agreement is available, but if you have a longer-term need for the software you get a discount for committing to a year's worth. If you take the discount, pay the cheaper monthly cost and then cancel before the end of the commitment, a penalty seems fair. Again I am not defending whatever obfuscation of terms that led to the oft-mentioned lawsuit, just that there seems to be some confusion about monthly and annual commitments.
- kranke155 1y agoI had no idea a monthly subscription was even available. You have to ask the website in my region for “more details and more plans” to even see the monthly subscription. Also because they offer “a discount” on the first year here, it’s 38€ month/yearly plan or 104€ a month/monthly. I don’t know. If you’re going to allow Adobe to buy its competitors and monopolise entire regions of our economy, this seems a bit shit.
- Spooky23 1y agoIt’s the dumbest argument ever. Find a perpetual software license or 12 month subscription that allows for cancellation for convenience. I get why some folks are angry, it was easier to pirate Adobe back in the day. If people don’t want to pay, there’s all sorts of competition in different segments of the market as well as open source.
- hansvm 1y agoThe problem is that the 12 month contract is (a) pulled out of their ass and not reflective of the real costs for either party, and (b) until very recently not even disclosed (even in recent months, there are plenty of reports of cancellation fees from people with screenshots of having correctly chosen the monthly version). The very highest cancellation fee that makes sense is the delta between the monthly rate and what the annual rate projected on to the number of months of payment would be. If an annual subscription is cheaper because of risk or the time value of money, even that delta is a vast overestimate of Adobe's damages, and the fact that they're asking for 10x-20x is a blatant abuse of power. > Find a perpetual software license or 12 month subscription that allows for cancellation for convenience. All of them with Canadian customers, for example. It's a product with incremental costs and incremental value, so cancelling it (neither paying incremental costs nor forcing the service provider to do the same) makes perfect sense. > It was easier to pirate back in the day That's not the problem at all. Gimp is way better than the piratable photoshop ever was. It's not useful to ad hominem people who don't want to be abused.
- vladvasiliu 1y agoI don't know about Canada, but here in France many things come as a long-term contract with monthly payments and cancelation fees. Most common which come to mind are mobile phone plans and ISP subscriptions. Many companies still have 12 or 24 months plans, and you're on the hook for some form of penalty if you cancel before the term. And no, I'm not talking about buying a plan-subsidized phone, even "naked" plans have this. Since some years ago, companies have started offering monthly-only plans, so you can cancel anytime. But, for some reason, there still are cancelation fees, which are fixed. What's funny, is that they also usually offer rebates if you switch providers, which usually cover those fees. I'm not saying this is a good thing, but, at least where I live, the Adobe scheme is fairly common.
- j45 1y agoThere's seem to be a lot of reports for Adobe continuing to charge a credit card 12-18 months after confirmed cancellation and no recourse or anyone to access for help because the account is closed. Sucks to say because I do like their software.
- chrisandchris 1y agoMy last interaction with Adobe is a few years back, what I recall is: I got tricked into the "pay monthly for annual subscription" (it was probably written there, just hidden very good). I then cancelled my subscription and instead of telling me "it runs anyway another 10 months", they let me cancel early, charging me a cancellation fee (which I only realized after it was too late) which was _higher_ than the remaining months. Now I will never ever buy something from Adobe again.
- jamestimmins 1y agoCancellation fee higher than remaining months is extremely shady. Very possible that the current pricing/wording is the result of being sued by the DOJ.
- elorm 1y agoFootnote: "Unlimited fonts, no extra charges, already licensed."
- Aurornis 1y ago> These fonts — along with more than 30,000 others — are already included in your Adobe Creative Cloud membership. For those wondering about pricing.
- rudedogg 1y agoI always wonder how the licensing works with stuff like this. Say I create a logo with one of these fonts, and immediately cancel afterword. Do I get to continue using the logo? Or is my license to the font technically revoked? Also, font licensing elsewhere sucks for making native applications. They have this bizarre price structure where for web it's cheap, but if you want to embed it in an App it's 10x the price. It bums me out because occasionally I'd like to use/buy fonts for projects but they're out of reach. I took the first google result to test this real quick, "Web" or "Desktop" usage is $78, but "App" is $1,326 (https://www.myfonts.com/products/astros-package-83387/licenses https://www.myfonts.com/products/astros-package-83387/licens...). And I guess they've moved to doing subscriptions for all licenses there too.. so I guess I'll never be buying a font again. Maybe that was the answer all along https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J06tluN7rtE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J06tluN7rtE
- duskwuff 1y ago> Say I create a logo with one of these fonts, and immediately cancel afterword. Do I get to continue using the logo? Or is my license to the font technically revoked? From the perspective of US copyright law, a font file is an odd sort of computer program that generates shapes. The program is copyrighted, but the shapes it outputs are not. Indeed, US copyright law explicitly states that typefaces - i.e. the shapes printed on paper, not the font program which produces them - are ineligible for copyright. This applies even to fantasy scripts; e.g. the script used in the video game Riven was refused registration on these grounds.
- mediumsmart 1y agoYou have to turn it into a path anyways or the program can't show the logo when the subscription is cancelled and the font is no longer available.
- tobr 1y ago> Arial — A universal favorite for presentations and business documents Because it used to* be available out of the box, everywhere. Not because it’s such a great typeface. I can’t imagine the sequence of short-sighted enterprise design decisions that puts someone in a position where they have to use Arial through Adobe Fonts. * I guess that’s no longer true because of Android?
- sonofhans 1y agoYes, Arial is hot garbage. It’s a Microsoft-sponsored rebadge of Helvetica, made because Microsoft didn’t want to license an actual good type face. This is like calling beige office walls a “universal favorite.” And I bet people at Adobe today are still confused by their poor reception on Bluesky. They lost the ability to talk to their customers years ago. They only have prisoners now.
- ibbtown 1y agoTalking about web and small busines: probably true. For lager company it was never really an option, because it was only licence free on windows. So no IBM ASF, iText on Solaris or other huge non-windows text renderer used arial even if they don't use a corporate design font
- crazygringo 1y agoOn the one hand, if you're editing a graphics file for a client that already uses Arial, you need Arial. Full stop. It doesn't matter if it's great or not. On the other hand, Arial is pre-installed not just on Windows, but Macs and iOS. And Adobe doesn't make e.g. Illustrator for Android or Linux. So what Creative Cloud app runs on an OS that doesn't already have Arial? What am I missing? Do they have something that runs on Android?
- tobr 1y agoI don’t know enough about Adobe Fonts and don’t trust their own writing about it, but it seems like it supports web. So I suppose it might be a way to get a consistently poor typographic experience on all platforms.
- srameshc 1y agoHaving paid cancellation fees after being extremely careful making subscription for specific products so as to avoid the same, I am never going to touch Adobe or it's products anymore. Affinity solves all our problems.
- saltcod 1y ago1000000%
- drivingmenuts 1y agoThank you, Adobe. Go to hell.
- mistrial9 1y agolots of complaints here (for good reason) but really I have to applaud any try at staying in business with high quality fonts -- Adobe and others, too. The economics don't make sense for what is being handled. Keep trying new approaches..
- JKCalhoun 1y agoOr, like BBS's as a dumb example, time to move on.
- mistrial9 1y agothat's a fine example - of what I am not thinking of.. BBS are online, low-res, signal not content.. whereas print fonts are high-resolution, content in themselves, and not replaced by smart phone users in 7pt squint sessions.. lacking delivery context in the discussion invites easy dismissal.. btw- support cash, coins and stamps.. you will miss them when they are gone, and the replacement can get very toxic, very quickly.
- JKCalhoun 1y agoYou're right — a font is as still useful today as it was 30 years ago. But there is no longer a market for them. They were commoditized a long time ago. My memory of the 90's is rusty but I feel like it was a company like Bitstream that came around and so undercut the font market in a race to the bottom that, even then, it was clear that selling fonts was a dying business.
- jasonjmcghee 1y agoIt's amazing to me when wildly successful companies have a great thing going and choose to try to squeeze customers instead of giving them reasons to be loyal, and then self-destruct. Adobe and Unity both come to mind. I don't think I've seen a brand increase margins at the cost of customer satisfaction, successfully.
- JKCalhoun 1y agoMaybe there's a "corporate artist" market. You know, where the big company picks up the tab.
- BearOso 1y agoThey're maxed out on customers so about the only things they can do are increase prices or make cuts. It's always just so they can bump up their quarterly reports. Only private companies risk doing anything decent any more because they're not tied to investors' whims.
- Voultapher 1y agoThe cancer school of thought, insist endless growth will be possible and must be pursued, despite all the evidence to the contrary.
- bitpush 1y agoWhat did unity do?
- TiredOfLife 1y agoMade a decision to make you pay per install of your game. Including reinstalls. The development community took it so well it lead to CEO stepping down and reversing of the decision.
- Tommix11 1y agoI think Steve Jobs said it best. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo8zdPNMRdY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo8zdPNMRdY
- tsp 1y agoI don’t know a single designer or developer that likes Adobe. There have been so many hostile decisions, so many dark UX patterns. I am happy to live an Adobe-free life!
- dmix 1y agoI tried to buy Lighthouse and it was a headspinning experience, took me a while to figure out it was a very overpriced subscription version with a confusing sign up experience I didn't trust. I felt like I was going to be scammed if I clicked the wrong button. So I ended up using Luminar Neo, even though I don't like it. Reminds me of using one of those awful Microsoft maze websites like Azure.
- chihuahua 1y agoAs far as I'm concerned, there are only 3 fonts: serif, sans serif, and wacky. All serif fonts look the same to me, and all sans serif fonts look the same to me. The wacky fonts - no one would use them for anything except for a birthday party flyer. I am greatly amused whenever someone rants about how Helvetica is beautiful and Arial is terrible. They're the same thing.
- ashton314 1y agoTo use Arial when Proxima Nova or Helvetica are available is a deeply hideous act. Why on earth does Adobe sound proud to announce that Arial is finally in their lineup?!
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