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Forcing China to become more independent of exports to the US also means China will care less about being in the good graces of the US. It cuts both ways.

by vidarh 2y ago

xienze 2y ago
Except for the whole military superpower thing. The US is actually in a somewhat unique situation compared to other countries.
- hello_moto 2y ago
  Unique for now. It’s changing. The moment is threatened Canada , Denmark sovereignty and EU/NATO, countries are planning for life without US
- vidarh 2y ago
  It's only in a somewhat unique situation if people the US is willing and able to stomach a large-scale war, and people believe that to be so, and that belief has also dropped dramatically.
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- lamp_book 2y ago
  See the threads on the state of US shipbuilding.
  - ForOldHack 2y ago
    Yes. You should point out that >50% of ships are built by China, and 30% are built by Korea, and United States is not even on the list... Do we even make ships? Maybe a few military wessels.
NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
One could easily have the impression that despite this, China has never really given a rat's ass about being in the good graces of the US, and that when they do relent it is often the case that they do not do so in good faith at all. If they comply with ethics and human rights, it's to the absolute minimum of that and in an underhanded way designed to undermine, but often not even that and they're just cheating and good at hiding it. In other words, not much would be lost except the devious lip service.
- throw310822 2y ago
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- vidarh 2y ago
  It depends on what you're looking at. They've avoided a confrontation with Taiwan, for example. How long that will last if/when they no longer consider open conflict with the US to be a major consideration is anyones guess.
absolutelastone 2y ago
This outcome is probably the end result for either scenario. The degree to which China is dependent on the US has been steadily decreasing. There's no law of nature that says the US will keep winning and have its advantages forever.

Forcing China to become more independent of exports to the US also means China will care less about being in the good graces of the US. It cuts both ways.

by vidarh 2y ago

Forcing China to become more independent of exports to the US also means China will care less about being in the good graces of the US. It cuts both ways.

xienze 2y ago

Except for the whole military superpower thing. The US is actually in a somewhat unique situation compared to other countries.

hello_moto 2y ago
Unique for now. It’s changing. The moment is threatened Canada , Denmark sovereignty and EU/NATO, countries are planning for life without US
vidarh 2y ago
It's only in a somewhat unique situation if people the US is willing and able to stomach a large-scale war, and people believe that to be so, and that belief has also dropped dramatically.
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lamp_book 2y ago
See the threads on the state of US shipbuilding.
- ForOldHack 2y ago
  Yes. You should point out that >50% of ships are built by China, and 30% are built by Korea, and United States is not even on the list... Do we even make ships? Maybe a few military wessels.

NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago

One could easily have the impression that despite this, China has never really given a rat's ass about being in the good graces of the US, and that when they do relent it is often the case that they do not do so in good faith at all. If they comply with ethics and human rights, it's to the absolute minimum of that and in an underhanded way designed to undermine, but often not even that and they're just cheating and good at hiding it. In other words, not much would be lost except the devious lip service.

throw310822 2y ago
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vidarh 2y ago
It depends on what you're looking at. They've avoided a confrontation with Taiwan, for example. How long that will last if/when they no longer consider open conflict with the US to be a major consideration is anyones guess.

absolutelastone 2y ago

This outcome is probably the end result for either scenario. The degree to which China is dependent on the US has been steadily decreasing. There's no law of nature that says the US will keep winning and have its advantages forever.