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> What if there are no open positions on my experience and I have to pivot to another completely different tech stack that I studied in my spare time? What then

> What if there are no open positions on my experience and I have to pivot to another completely different tech stack that I studied in my spare time? What then? Should I be unemployed? If you studied and worked with the tech in your free time, you can say so, and show your work. If not, this is the same as lying anywhere else. What if I want to perform brain surgery, but I'm not qualified? Should I be unemployed? Of course I should, as far as brain surgery goes, but there are other jobs out there I can do while I train. > We're still taking about SW engineering here, not medicine or rocket science. SW engineering is a critical component of both medicine and rocket science, and doing it wrong can kill people. Beyond that, you'd be harming others by taking the job from someone who put in the work to actually be qualified, and harming your future coworkers by deceiving them. So the real answer to your question depends on how much you value other people and your principles, compared to valuing yourself and getting what you want. If you don't want to wrestle with that, just add some personal projects to your personal studying.

FirmwareBurner 2y ago
>If you studied and worked with the tech in your free time, you can say so, and show your work. Recruiters or HR who check your resume never cared about what you do in your free time as counting as professional experience, they only do keyword matching on languages or stacks with "year of on the job experience". So white lies are the only way to pass through that initial filter and get to a technical person who will judge your knowledge less superficially. >What if I want to perform brain surgery, but I'm not qualified? Please stop arguing in bad faith. Switching to a different tech stack is not the same as switching to doing brain surgery. No offence, but your attitude, bad faith and lack of empathy seems to comes form a position of privilege who never had to endure poverty and unemployment. So please stop over-dramatizing the hurting people part. As long as you can deliver at work what you said you can in the interview and both parties are happy and getting their expected value out of it, who cares what experience in your resume was a lie and what not?
- ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
  > Switching to a tech stack is not the same as switching to brain surgery. SW engineering is a critical component of both medicine and rocket science, and doing it wrong can kill people. Beyond that, you'd be harming others by taking the job from someone who put in the work to actually be qualified, and harming your future coworkers by deceiving them. > Recruiters or HR who check your resume never cared about what you do in your free time as counting as professional experience, they only do keyword matching with "year of on the job experience". I don't think this is always the case, as long as it's on the resume (skills + personal projects + YoE). Then, the technical person can judge your knowledge less superficially. It worked for me! > So white lies are the only way. It's actually just a regular lie: You'd be harming people by telling it. > No offense, but your attitude, bad faith and lack of empathy seems to comes from a position of privilege This is actually an offensive thing for you to say, because you are claiming I have attitude, bad faith and lack of empathy, all of which are false. Please focus on substance over name-calling. > [added later] ...never had to endure poverty and unemployment... I encourage you to explore empathy regarding the poverty and unemployment you'd be causing for a better-qualified applicant who was passed over due to lies, and not just towards yourself. We are all people, you are not more important than them, and poverty and unemployment is no worse for you than it is for them. > [added later] As long as you can deliver at work what you said you can in the interview... We're explicitly discussing someone lying about their abilities and experience, and thus not able to deliver what they said they can in their resume and/or interview.
  - gyesxnuibh 2y ago
    Not all jobs are created equal. I know the quality control for software written for Web is very very different than the software written for cloud. You're arguing that the standards for medical device firmware should be the same for Pinterest which is honestly just a waste of and effort. I can see both sides of this specific discussion but treating SW engineering generally as rocket science is lying to yourself ;)
    - ImPostingOnHN 2y ago

FirmwareBurner 2y ago

>If you studied and worked with the tech in your free time, you can say so, and show your work. Recruiters or HR who check your resume never cared about what you do in your free time as counting as professional experience, they only do keyword matching on languages or stacks with "year of on the job experience". So white lies are the only way to pass through that initial filter and get to a technical person who will judge your knowledge less superficially. >What if I want to perform brain surgery, but I'm not qualified? Please stop arguing in bad faith. Switching to a different tech stack is not the same as switching to doing brain surgery. No offence, but your attitude, bad faith and lack of empathy seems to comes form a position of privilege who never had to endure poverty and unemployment. So please stop over-dramatizing the hurting people part. As long as you can deliver at work what you said you can in the interview and both parties are happy and getting their expected value out of it, who cares what experience in your resume was a lie and what not?

ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
> Switching to a tech stack is not the same as switching to brain surgery. SW engineering is a critical component of both medicine and rocket science, and doing it wrong can kill people. Beyond that, you'd be harming others by taking the job from someone who put in the work to actually be qualified, and harming your future coworkers by deceiving them. > Recruiters or HR who check your resume never cared about what you do in your free time as counting as professional experience, they only do keyword matching with "year of on the job experience". I don't think this is always the case, as long as it's on the resume (skills + personal projects + YoE). Then, the technical person can judge your knowledge less superficially. It worked for me! > So white lies are the only way. It's actually just a regular lie: You'd be harming people by telling it. > No offense, but your attitude, bad faith and lack of empathy seems to comes from a position of privilege This is actually an offensive thing for you to say, because you are claiming I have attitude, bad faith and lack of empathy, all of which are false. Please focus on substance over name-calling. > [added later] ...never had to endure poverty and unemployment... I encourage you to explore empathy regarding the poverty and unemployment you'd be causing for a better-qualified applicant who was passed over due to lies, and not just towards yourself. We are all people, you are not more important than them, and poverty and unemployment is no worse for you than it is for them. > [added later] As long as you can deliver at work what you said you can in the interview... We're explicitly discussing someone lying about their abilities and experience, and thus not able to deliver what they said they can in their resume and/or interview.
- gyesxnuibh 2y ago
  Not all jobs are created equal. I know the quality control for software written for Web is very very different than the software written for cloud. You're arguing that the standards for medical device firmware should be the same for Pinterest which is honestly just a waste of and effort. I can see both sides of this specific discussion but treating SW engineering generally as rocket science is lying to yourself ;)
  - ImPostingOnHN 2y ago