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We should outright forbid it in public space. IHMO. Also I'd say lets only tax undesirable behaviour! So not tax: * wages * having a house * adding value (

by cies 2y ago

We should outright forbid it in public space. IHMO. Also I'd say lets only tax undesirable behaviour! So not tax: * wages * having a house * adding value (VAT) But so tax: * land use * polluting * packaging (could be part of polluting) * accumulating profits at the top This idea has some similarities to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgism

Galatians4_16 2y ago
> We should outright forbid [advertising] in public space. IHMO. My cousin died to protect your right to say this. Ads are speech too.
- orwin 2y ago
  Are limited liability companies people ? Because to me, it seems they are considered people when it's beneficial, and not when it's not. Weird.
- zip1234 2y ago
  It's totally established precedent that billboards, signs, etc are limited. Whether they should be or not, I'm not sure, but that's how it is currently: https://firstamendment.mtsu.edu/article/billboards/#:~:text=Court%20said%20public%20billboards%20were%20not%20a%20public%20forum&text=In%20Lehman%20v.,a%20myriad%20of%20other%20types. https://firstamendment.mtsu.edu/article/billboards/#:~:text=...
- cies 2y ago
  I think free speech is something to protect for humans, not for companies. I can say "you should get the vaccine!" Companies that want to say these kinds of things have rules to abide by: and thanks fully so. I'm much for free speech, but more in the sense that we should be able to discuss policy/politics/critique/bitch/bash/religions/etc. Not so we can make terror plans, defame, harass, bully and share child porn. Not sure what happened to your cousin... But I'm curious now. Care to share?
  - Galatians4_16 2y ago
    > Not sure what happened to your cousin... But I'm curious now. Care to share? My cousin served in the Armed Forces "to protect your freedom" (his words). The fact that he died during training maneuvers, does not detract from that.
    - cies 2y ago
      I feel bad for him and you all. But personally when I look the US' history of military interventions then I sadly have to conclude he was made to believe he did it for "our freedom". A good facade for a dirty business. In fact he did it for corporate and Israel's interests. And probably he personally did it for the money and "cool job status" too.
      - Galatians4_16 2y ago
        The Canadian Armed Forces, and he always supported a free Palestine. But your point still stands.
        cies 2y ago
        My country also joins every sad "coalition of the willing" that's being formed... Usually against the general population's wishes. Only the US population seems to, on average, favour going to war. Still feel bad for your cousin.
  - Galatians4_16 2y ago
    > I'm much for free speech, but more in the sense that we should be able to discuss policy/politics/critique/bitch/bash/religions/etc. Not so we can make terror plans, defame, harass, bully The recent past should tell you that a lot of what some would call legitimate critique/bitch/bash etc. others would call harass/bully/violence –to also include not speaking about it at all. So in the interest of consistency, and publicity, I'd prefer to let the bigots of the world speak, and out themselves as bigots, so that we may then publicly speak and make fun of them for being bigots. The same goes for corporations.
zip1234 2y ago
Totally agree on taxing undesirable behavior--everyone complains about 'traffic' and the potential traffic impacts of something. If noise/pollution was taxed appropriately perhaps traffic would be less of a concern. A government needs to get revenue somehow and wages are just a very convenient way to do so. However, with all the modern technology that we have now, I think there are options available that are not being taken (such as fair land use tax with computer calculated values)
travisgriggs 2y ago
TIL about Georgism! Thanks. This is why I like HN discussions.

by cies 2y ago

Galatians4_16 2y ago

> We should outright forbid [advertising] in public space. IHMO. My cousin died to protect your right to say this. Ads are speech too.

orwin 2y ago
Are limited liability companies people ? Because to me, it seems they are considered people when it's beneficial, and not when it's not. Weird.
zip1234 2y ago
It's totally established precedent that billboards, signs, etc are limited. Whether they should be or not, I'm not sure, but that's how it is currently: https://firstamendment.mtsu.edu/article/billboards/#:~:text=Court%20said%20public%20billboards%20were%20not%20a%20public%20forum&text=In%20Lehman%20v.,a%20myriad%20of%20other%20types. https://firstamendment.mtsu.edu/article/billboards/#:~:text=...
cies 2y ago
I think free speech is something to protect for humans, not for companies. I can say "you should get the vaccine!" Companies that want to say these kinds of things have rules to abide by: and thanks fully so. I'm much for free speech, but more in the sense that we should be able to discuss policy/politics/critique/bitch/bash/religions/etc. Not so we can make terror plans, defame, harass, bully and share child porn. Not sure what happened to your cousin... But I'm curious now. Care to share?
- Galatians4_16 2y ago
  > Not sure what happened to your cousin... But I'm curious now. Care to share? My cousin served in the Armed Forces "to protect your freedom" (his words). The fact that he died during training maneuvers, does not detract from that.
  - cies 2y ago
    I feel bad for him and you all. But personally when I look the US' history of military interventions then I sadly have to conclude he was made to believe he did it for "our freedom". A good facade for a dirty business. In fact he did it for corporate and Israel's interests. And probably he personally did it for the money and "cool job status" too.
    - Galatians4_16 2y ago
      The Canadian Armed Forces, and he always supported a free Palestine. But your point still stands.
      - cies 2y ago
        My country also joins every sad "coalition of the willing" that's being formed... Usually against the general population's wishes. Only the US population seems to, on average, favour going to war. Still feel bad for your cousin.
- Galatians4_16 2y ago
  > I'm much for free speech, but more in the sense that we should be able to discuss policy/politics/critique/bitch/bash/religions/etc. Not so we can make terror plans, defame, harass, bully The recent past should tell you that a lot of what some would call legitimate critique/bitch/bash etc. others would call harass/bully/violence –to also include not speaking about it at all. So in the interest of consistency, and publicity, I'd prefer to let the bigots of the world speak, and out themselves as bigots, so that we may then publicly speak and make fun of them for being bigots. The same goes for corporations.

zip1234 2y ago

Totally agree on taxing undesirable behavior--everyone complains about 'traffic' and the potential traffic impacts of something. If noise/pollution was taxed appropriately perhaps traffic would be less of a concern. A government needs to get revenue somehow and wages are just a very convenient way to do so. However, with all the modern technology that we have now, I think there are options available that are not being taken (such as fair land use tax with computer calculated values)

travisgriggs 2y ago

TIL about Georgism! Thanks. This is why I like HN discussions.