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Doge using AI to snoop on U.S. federal workers, sources say
- anonzzzies 2y agoBecause ofcourse they do... But really, what is the way to be biggest AI company ever, eclipsing palantir and openai? Yeah, make sure the US and other govs believing they cannot function without anymore. I see where Musk is going, but like his self driving cars, he is always just not quite there yet. And this is even more dangerous than self driving cars that suck. I am a bit like him; when I make something, I see the end goal clearly and tell people like it's already there, almost, but it doesn't exist yet and takes years to do. Difference is, I sit in my garden in my underpants, he stands ranting in the white house.
- latentsea 2y agoAfter he's done ranting he probably sits in the white house garden in his underpants too. So, maybe not that different?
- exe34 2y agohave you tried ketamine?
- anonzzzies 2y agoshould I?
- OrderlyTiamat 2y agoI see a bright future in social media, politics, and livestream gaming ahead of you if you do.
- amazingamazing 2y agois the issue surveillance, or AI?
- apothegm 2y agoWhy not both?
- amazingamazing 2y agowhy would it be bad for federal workers to be surveilled? is there an expectation of privacy while you're working?
- contagiousflow 2y agoYou want an unelected, foreign entity to have total visibility into your government?
- amazingamazing 2y agowhich foreign entity are you referring to? and was this unelected entity appointed by an elected one? Federal judges in the USA are unelected and some have a foreign background. Are you against them too?
- sham1 2y agoDOGE, or alternatively Elon Musk. And even if one can argue whether those count as foreign entities as in other countries, they're certainly foreign to the US government, since this is quite novel BS.
- amazingamazing 2y agoWasn't Musk appointed by Trump though?
- JKCalhoun 2y agoIs Musk a Chief of Staff? A press secretary? Why no Senate approval?
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- buckle8017 2y ago> Reuters could not establish exactly how Grok was being used. > If they’re using Signal and not backing up every message to federal files, then they are acting unlawfully So, this article is a "we don't actually know" and a "they could be doing something but, but again we don't know". 0/10 Reuters
- palmotea 2y ago> Reuters could not establish exactly how Grok was being used. > So, this article is a "we don't actually know" and a "they could be doing something but, but again we don't know". > 0/10 Reuters What do you want? The design specification and implementation? By what seems to be your standard, every newspaper would be empty. Which would be very convenient to some people! For instance, Elon Musk and DOGE. Reuters knows what their sources are telling them, and they're reporting that. They're doing a fine job.
- dionian 2y agoReuters and AP used to be pretty much newswires, but lately they seem to act more like a newspaper.
- acdha 2y agoThis is normal for developing stories. They’re reporting things which they’ve heard from sources which they consider to be reliable, are informing readers of the limits of what they know, and will almost certainly publish additional articles when more information becomes available.
- candiddevmike 2y ago> And they have “heavily” deployed Musk’s Grok AI chatbot – an aspiring ChatGPT rival – as part of their work slashing the federal government, said that person. Reuters could not establish exactly how Grok was being used. Grok is FIPS complaint, right? Safe for use with confidential information? PII/PHI?
- nine_zeros 2y agoCompliance? What's that? Sounds too lawful. Must be a relic of the past.
- chneu 2y agoLawful? You mean inefficient?
- MyOutfitIsVague 2y agoFrom what we've seen so far in this admin, none of that matters much anymore.
- generalizations 2y agoNot that FIPS is actually worth anything, anyway.
- cube00 2y ago> Grok is FIPS complaint, right? Safe for use with confidential information? PII/PHI? “Laws without enforced consequences are merely suggestions.” -- Ron Brackin
- wg0 2y agoYup. And is true AGI also. Runs on cheapest available ESP32 with wrist watch batteries lasting for several years. Also - impossible to hallucinate thanks to special technology ported from the Cyber truck's bullet proof panels.
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- IG_Semmelweiss 2y agoNot one individual quoted in the article. Not 1. Seems like legacy media is not pretending anymore and has transitioned into make-believe land after CNBCs airing of "unconfirmed information" about tariff pause only 1 day ago.
- rsynnott 2y ago… Hold on, are you expecting them to name their sources? On this? Really? Like, protecting sources is about as old as journalism. Without it, you’re really just a conduit for press releases.
- Clubber 2y agoUnfortunately bad faith actors also use "anonymous sources," to push agendas that aren't exactly an accurate representation of what's going on. The FBI and CIA are notorious for this. Example. "Anonymous sources in the CIA said..." That's a leak but not a real leak. You can tell because if it was a real leak, the government would track them down like Snowden.
- nxobject 2y agoThat being said, this is clearly _not_ the FBI or the CIA. The power dynamics for anyone saying anything critical of the Trump administration in the media are strongly, strongly not in their favor.
- Clubber 2y agoRight but I'm saying in general stories using nothing but anonymous sources should be held with a higher level of skepticism than ones with documented sources or even corroborating anonymous sources. This doesn't seem to have either.
- IG_Semmelweiss 2y ago>>>>Without it, you’re really just a conduit for press releases. Thats arguably what the press has been doing for the CIA in the last decade more or less. >>> hold on, are you expecting them to name their sources? On this? Really? Yes. edward snowden went against the security state. its not far fetched to expect more transparency over a simple govt policy related to an agency that is under the microscope (DOGE) Particularly when trust in media is an all all time low Particularly because of behavior just like the one displayed by reuters
- bko 2y ago> Trump administration officials have told some U.S. government employees that Elon Musk's DOGE team of technologists is using artificial intelligence to surveil at least one federal agency’s communications for hostility to President Donald Trump and his agenda, said two people with knowledge of the matter. I think its entirely reasonable for an employer to monitor employee communications on company media channels. I've dealt with a few toxic employees in the past where their incessant complaining and passive sabotage of work is incredibly harmful to morale and work of others. I don't really see how using AI is controversial other than it's being done more efficiently, flagging just blatant violations. Seems preferable and more respectful of privacy that having an employee read all communications manually and applying judgement.
- candiddevmike 2y agoTrump isn't their employer and the whole narrative that they "report" to him is an executive order-based fiction. The departments are supposed to be independent, some wildly more than others, and the heads of the department control them and set the agenda.
- bko 2y agoI don't know, anytime I read anything like this it's a whack a mole. > Trump / Doge / Musk is snooping It's pretty normal to monitor communication channels > for anti Trump / Elon communication It's pretty normal to have informal speech codes at work, which include don't un-constructively criticize your employer or parent company. > using AI Okay, it just does what humans do except more efficiently > but the AI is not compliant to some regulation I don't know and I don't think you know either > but they don't "report" to him They're still part of the federal government. Again, I don't think its unreasonable and its certainly not productive At a certain point I realize there aren't any real objections other than [orange | rocket] man bad. There's a lot to criticize with this administration but criticizing absolutely everything, even when its entirely reasonable, doesn't help sway people's opinions. So when people read hysterical headlines about how the federal government is spying on federal employees by accessing their pay information, they just tune out.
- tiahura 2y agoHasn’t MS been offering this ad an add-on to exchange 365 for years?
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- windex 2y agoAt what point will this be considered a trojan?
- Sharlin 2y agoAccording to one of the most prescient of all fictional depictions of the future, Deus Ex, the first human-level, agentic AI was used by the puppet masters behind the US government to monitor all of Internet traffic for signs of “terrorism” (yes, this was before 9/11). Problem is, the instructions given to the AI caused it classify the puppeteers themselves as a terrorist organization.
- AlecSchueler 2y agoGrok has already publicly claimed that Elon was trying to illegally sway the election in Wisconsin with his million dollar prizes for votes. Did anything happen in Deus Ex? I'm guessing the government was held more accountable there than they will be in reality.