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> Why they won't just bring him back is disturbing. He has a wife and 3 children who are all US citizens. Nobody should be defending this. Without opining on w

> Why they won't just bring him back is disturbing. He has a wife and 3 children who are all US citizens. Nobody should be defending this. Without opining on whether he should be brought back: it seems kind of a slippery slope (legally speaking) to suggest that someone should be brought back because of their family, no? I'm not sure I'd want courts to decide that people should also be subject to deportation or other punishments because of their families.

defrost 1y ago
The actual topography here, rather than any hypothetical buttered slope, is a man was deported in defiance of pre existing court orders that he not be deported. Is it correct that you are in favour of courts being involved in deportation decisions and those decisions being respected and paid heed to?
- rayiner 1y ago
  > The actual topography here, rather than any hypothetical buttered slope, is a man was deported without in defiance of pre existing court orders that he not be deported. False. Garcia was concededly subject to deportation except to El Salvador. And that condition prohibiting removal to El Salvador was not issued by a "court," but rather by an immigration judge (executive branch employee).
  - goatlover 1y ago
    Was that because they were in a rush to ignore a judge's order temporarily halting the deportations?
  - matwood 1y ago
    Even the government admitted it was an administrative error.
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goatlover 1y ago
He hasn't been charged with any crime though. If he was actually part of a dangerous gang taking orders from the Venezuelan government against the US, he should have been arrested and charged before this. That he has a family of citizens should keep him in the country. It's cruelty to split up families with deportation.
- rayiner 1y ago
  > He hasn't been charged with any crime though. The law doesn’t require being charged with or convicted of a crime for deportation. Garcia is deportable simply for being an illegal alien. The connection to MS13 is simply about prioritizing who gets deported first. Thus it makes sense that it doesn’t require a criminal conviction. > That he has a family of citizens should keep him in the country. It's cruelty to split up families with deportation. That’s not the law, and would create a tremendous moral hazard if it were the law. It’s cruel to Americans to import Latin America’s gang problems. We got the Italian mafia along with mass Italian immigration, and it took decades to clean it up. The Italian mob was doing hits in nice midtown manhattan restaurants until the 1980s until we developed RICO theories to put everyone in prison.

defrost 1y ago

The actual topography here, rather than any hypothetical buttered slope, is a man was deported in defiance of pre existing court orders that he not be deported. Is it correct that you are in favour of courts being involved in deportation decisions and those decisions being respected and paid heed to?

rayiner 1y ago
> The actual topography here, rather than any hypothetical buttered slope, is a man was deported without in defiance of pre existing court orders that he not be deported. False. Garcia was concededly subject to deportation except to El Salvador. And that condition prohibiting removal to El Salvador was not issued by a "court," but rather by an immigration judge (executive branch employee).
- goatlover 1y ago
  Was that because they were in a rush to ignore a judge's order temporarily halting the deportations?
- matwood 1y ago
  Even the government admitted it was an administrative error.

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goatlover 1y ago

He hasn't been charged with any crime though. If he was actually part of a dangerous gang taking orders from the Venezuelan government against the US, he should have been arrested and charged before this. That he has a family of citizens should keep him in the country. It's cruelty to split up families with deportation.

rayiner 1y ago
> He hasn't been charged with any crime though. The law doesn’t require being charged with or convicted of a crime for deportation. Garcia is deportable simply for being an illegal alien. The connection to MS13 is simply about prioritizing who gets deported first. Thus it makes sense that it doesn’t require a criminal conviction. > That he has a family of citizens should keep him in the country. It's cruelty to split up families with deportation. That’s not the law, and would create a tremendous moral hazard if it were the law. It’s cruel to Americans to import Latin America’s gang problems. We got the Italian mafia along with mass Italian immigration, and it took decades to clean it up. The Italian mob was doing hits in nice midtown manhattan restaurants until the 1980s until we developed RICO theories to put everyone in prison.