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I clicked the headline expecting a chuckle and left with an unexpectedly warmed heart. > “We wanted to strengthen the connection between the children and the o
by mrexroad 2y ago
I clicked the headline expecting a chuckle and left with an unexpectedly warmed heart.
> “We wanted to strengthen the connection between the children and the older generations in the community. There are so many amazing people here. I thought it was such a shame that no one knew about them,” [...] “Since the card game went viral, so many kids are starting to look up to these men as heroic figures.”
> Kids have started attending local events and volunteering for community activities — just for a chance to meet the ojisan from their cards. Participation in town events has reportedly doubled since the game launched.
there's so much more I want to comment on--it's not screen-based, increased cross-generational interaction, strengthening community, elders having their stories known--but what I love is that these effects will compound into even greater benefits for the community.
- xivzgrev 2y agoThis brings back something we've mostly lost in modern times. Elders had respect because they knew a lot and had contributed a lot, and everyone knew that. But that's not scalable, and we migrate a lot more now. This is an engaging way that brings that back - rather than focusing on fantasy heroes, show kids real life role models.
- zdragnar 2y agoIt's even less that we move around a lot more; technology advanced with the personal computer and Internet such that kids see adults not knowing things about the world that they already do. What is decades of personal lived experience wisdom when there's tiktok and YouTube and chatbots?
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- DeathArrow 2y ago>kids see adults not knowing things about the world that they already do In the age where anyone can find anything online, experience is more valuable than it ever was. Technology won't replace that.
- phil21 2y agoIn the US we are at all time lows for internal migration. Or at least very close to them, I haven’t checked those stats in a couple years since this last came up on HN. We used to (as a population) migrate to opportunity far more than we do now. For many reasons there is simply far less community engagement and integration going on. Fewer people put down strong “roots” in their communities these days.
- klabb3 2y agoThats surprising, I thought moving was less common than now. In either case, is it possible that the single households is the other factor, people choosing more instead of interacting with whoever is around?
- etrautmann 2y agoIt might be who’s migrating. Possibly the coastal PMC workers sloshing back and forth while blue collar workers have less mobility than the 60s?
- kortilla 2y agoWhen? In my grandparents generation (born late 1800s to early 1900s) moving to either try to start a farm in the US or to leave a failing farm for a job in town at the local whatever factory was very common. Post WW2 for the boomers was loaded with people flooding to all kinds of industrial boom cities. After that it was hollowing out of the rust belt and moving out of cities to suburbs due to the lead/crime epidemic. Then rich cities boomed back with millennials in a continuous feedback loop where the successful ones became more desirable as money brought attractions/activities/restaurants, draining the failing ones even more. Then 2020 was the brief mega disruption where people thought the internet might catch on and they found out the vast majority of white collar jobs can be done from home so the fanned out to all of the nice and cheap suburbs, mountain towns, etc. Now the Internet fad has worn off so that’s reversing a bit. Moving in the US has been very common until this brief lull where you could change jobs without relocating thanks to remote work. Unfortunately we’re going backwards so it wouldn’t surprise me if constant relocation resumes.
- makeitdouble 2y agoWorth noting that the relations to elder is really getting rocky, and people are rethinking them in both directions. We can't hide from the influence the elder generations had on the current situation. Japan is a developed nation with a crazy low crime rate and incredible infrastructure thanks to them. It's also a social mess and the poster child of stagnation thanks to them. This whole trading card game surfaces both sides of the coin, with what these people are bringing to the community and also why small kids shouldn't look to much upon them as it's a recipe for trouble.
- danielscrubs 2y agoJapan always does the hard thing. If someone misbehaves and two people are close by you can be sure that they loudly will talk with each other about how the person misbehaves (they are not afraid). The prisons are very strict, with beatings if you don’t follow authority. The police acts swiftly and have small offices everywhere . Green tea and healthy food makes people be able to control their mood (hard to not stuff your face). The rules are very open and clear. The deincentives for misconduct are strong. The newspapers focus are different. More fun or actionable news. People just think they are built different, that is not the case. They just succeed with many small things that makes a greater whole. But people just dismiss it as a culture thing, which is reductive.
- DeathArrow 2y ago>They just succeed with many small things that makes a greater whole. But people just dismiss it as a culture thing, which is reductive. Aren't rules part of the culture? The culture helps strengthening the rules while the rules help strengthening the culture.
- tankenmate 2y ago出る釘は打たれる。
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- qwertox 2y agoI've been taught to respect the elders. But now I've seen that there are enough of them which aren't honest, good people, but only know how to present themselves in a positive light, while looking down on the ones they live with. I now stand neutral against them: they may be good, they may not be. There's nothing in their age which makes them deserve more respect than the one younger people deserve.
- ConspiracyFact 2y agoSo do you respect 12-year-olds as much as you respect 25-year-olds? Do you respect the opinions on work and adult responsibilities of a 23-year-old as much as those of a 35-year-old? Do you trust the professional judgment of a junior engineer as much as that of a senior engineer? Older people, in general, know more and have better judgment than younger people.
- anthk 2y agoNot in Japan.
- piltdownman 2y agoYou're conflating age with wisdom - a common fallacy when charisma is valued over education, leading to Septuagenarian Heads of State ruling on partisan lines rather than Technocratic and egalitarian governance.
- ConspiracyFact 2y agoAge correlates with wisdom. It’s not a fallacy. I don’t claim that every person is wiser than all people younger than him.
- lazide 2y agoAll you know about an old person is they’ve lived - and survived - longer than someone who is not so old. That can have a lot of different meanings.
- Tade0 2y agoIt used to be that elders were few and far between, as the population pyramid was, well, a pyramid. The other day I joked in conversation that I raise my daughters to disrespect the elderly - particularly my generation in the future - as considering the fertility rates (worse than in Japan) in the region, there will be plenty of elderly compared to younger generations. I'm only half joking really. My own parents are reaching the age at which they would use some help every now and then. I have two siblings, so it doesn't take huge individual effort from any of us. Meanwhile I'm the only one there who has children and most likely that will remain the case. Should they feel any obligation to help my siblings once the time comes?
- ramblerman 2y agoYou can teach them whatever you want, but the model of the world you give them is also what they will pass on to their kids. "Family is a burden, and screw old people" doesn't seem that conducive to a good society.
- tankenmate 2y agoI get the sneaking suspicion that this might be a case of Poe's law.
- Tade0 2y agoI'm going more for "screw just old people". Nowhere in my parenting there's even a mention of family being a burden - well, the younger part at least. Anyway, again, half-joking here - I'm not actively pursuing this approach, just not nudging them towards the traditional one. I spent some years in Italy, where the younger generations are absolutely squeezed by the presence of a huge population of elderly. It went to such bizarre extremes where my one Italian friend not only doesn't own a home being in his 40s now, whereas both of his divorced parents each have their own properties, his salary is lower than his father's pension. Kids are of course out of the question. My country is speedrunning this same scenario and the only thing preventing it from happening now is considerably lower life expectancy compared to Italy.
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- huijzer 2y agoI think society hasn’t figured out the incentives for elders currently. In private settings it’s fine, but in the work context I’ve seen few incentives for >50 year olds to support younger generations. To the contrary, many of these people fear losing their job just before retirement so choose risk-averse behavior. At the same time, unlike in the village, the juniors are not their relatives so that is also not incentivizing any positive behavior. And yes there are of course very nice people who are the exception, but from what I’ve seen they are truly the exception. As Charlie Munger put it “Well, I think I’ve been in the top 5% of my age cohort all my life in understanding the power of incentives, and all my life I’ve underestimated it. And never a year passes but I get some surprise that pushes my limit a little farther.”
- msluyter 2y agoSaying this as a rather old person myself... I have a theory that, wrt knowledge, the relative advantage of age has been at least partially eroded by rapid technological advancement. In traditional/tribal societies, prior to the 20th century, wisdom actually accumulated with age, because the pace of change was slower. Wisdom & knowledge could be passed on from generation to generation. Now, wisdom and knowledge become obsolete quickly. Many things you knew 20 years ago are outdated. The ICE engine you learned how to fix as a kid is now computer controlled, or has been replaced by batteries. Your optimistic/open/friendly mindset now makes you easy pickings for online scammers. Hell, even your family's secret cherished muffin recipe is spurned by your grandchildren because it has gluten or they're vegan or keto or whatever. All this is just a take, but when I look at voting patterns in particular, I find myself pessimistic that the elderly are wiser than average.
- baxtr 2y agoI think this is true from a pure knowledge perspective but definitely not from a wisdom perspective. Old people have -through their experience- gained a tacit wisdom that can be very helpful when considering life choices.
- rjbwork 2y agoThe craziest and stupidest things I hear regularly are from older people. There are broad swathes of old people that, not having been raised to be skeptical about media consumption on the internet, are entirely credulous about all manner of insane dis/mis-information. That said, it's also something I'm seeing with younger people as well.
- nobodyandproud 2y agoThe oldest are the easiest to swindle. This isn’t new. Also, current media has the veneer and polish of old media which makes it difficult for the unsavvy.
- baxtr 2y agoYeah, maybe it’s more hope than reality
- akudha 2y agoThere was a news article few months ago, about waiting times for healthcare (in the UK, if I remember correctly). One govt official commented something like older people having to wait longer to see physicians is "not a priority". I was stunned reading it, didn't even know how to react. It is nice to read articles like this. I wish more humans looked at other humans beyond their youth, looks and their net worth
- InDubioProRubio 2y agoMy dad got a guy assigned to his farm once from the unemployment office once. Guy was in third generation unemployed. Tried to bribe himself out of shovelling shit, but my father wouldn't take the money. The tales a 90 year old person made redundant by society and thus avoiding society must have to tell. Stay a while and listen..
- emmelaich 2y agoI hope the people don't get too much pressure to up their stats. >The rarity of a card isn’t based on fantasy stats — it’s tied to real-world contributions. The more actively the ojisan engages in volunteer work or community service, the higher the chances of their card being upgraded to a shiny version with a glossy laminated effect.
- bitwize 2y agoI'm a bit reminded of the cards Harry and Ron find in their chocolate frog packaging, each of which features a picture of a famous wizard, some historical, some contemporary like Albus Dumbledore. The kids had a chance of actually meeting some of the heroes pictured on their cards.
- mtillman 2y agoApparently there are trading cards for everything now: https://divorceddads.shop/ https://divorceddads.shop/
- bananatron 2y agoI was surprised this wasn't mentioned in the article - I assumed this is what they were talking about.
- briandear 2y agoFor real. This is the best thing I’ve seen on HN in a long time. My kids are very into these card collections/games and I told them about it and they thought it was a great idea to put “normal” people on these cards. Super great story and concept. Japan isn’t perfect, but some amazing things come from their society.
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- Griffinsauce 2y agoI get the joke but man, for once I'd like something to just be wholesome full stop.
- 4ggr0 2y ago> Since the card game went viral, so many kids are starting to look up to these men as heroic figures. per usual, women just exist :) men get to be heroic elders, women are footnotes, merely assisting men to become heroes.
- ComboSoftware 2y agoway to add a negative twist... there's no reason an expansion or separate 'obaasan' set couldn't be made
- frereubu 2y agoI kinda get where you're coming from, but the comment is about the fact it hasn't been done, and there's no reason why it should be a separate set.
- klipt 2y agoElderly men are more vulnerable to suicide die to lack of social connections. So it makes sense for a project that fosters social connections to prioritize men. It's about equity, not equality.
- jmknoll 2y agoThis is such a cynical, keyboard-warrior take. Why do you feel the need to drag down someone else's positive and impactful contribution? No one is stopping you from creating a card game with women as the heroes.
- Wurdan 2y agoThe article makes it clear that this was the passion project of Eri Miyahara, Secretary General of the local council and a woman herself. Though I'm sure you had noble intentions with this comment, it ignores the professional judgement that led her to create this game and turns her efforts into "merely assisting men to become heroes."
- awongh 2y agoMy takeaway of the cool dynamic at work here is that universally (but particularly in Japan) no one wants to be seen promoting themselves. Especially for older people they've done so many cool things, and are currently doing cool things now that they're retired and have free time, but socially it's a bit awkward to just ask, what cool and interesting stuff can you tell me about. And the physical / game medium helps connect intergenerationally as well. But actually I could see this kind of trading card dynamic working in other situations like business networking or speed dating or something.
- svilen_dobrev 2y ago> increased cross-generational interaction cross-class interaction too. in ~2012 i was in Tokyo, and by chance was (also) invited to someone's birthday.. The guy was working as pizzeria-waiter, and has invited.. all his usual clients to his birthday - in his small apartment, with "everyone brings some food they made" instead of gifts. My friend was a client.. so i landed there too. That was the most bizarre mix of people there. Some were just mom-and-pop. Some were millionaires. And everything in between. Most were japanese, but also from about 3-4 diff. countries. And everyone talking with everyone else as equal.. a very interesting cross-section - and should i say glimpse-of-future - of society.