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That’s neat. I hope they expand it to include middle aged women in the community too.
by statskier 1y ago
That’s neat. I hope they expand it to include middle aged women in the community too.
- klipt 1y agoMen statistically have fewer social connections and suffer more from loneliness as they get older, so if the goal is to remedy that, it makes sense to start with men first.
- dTal 1y agoI see no particular reason to discriminate even from the get-go. Nor was addressing loneliness even the goal.
- klipt 1y agoIf one house is on fire and you spray water on it to put out the fire, do you feel obligated to spray water on every other house too so that the other houses don't feel discriminated against?
- 9dev 1y agoIf you’re the fire department, acting on the governments behalf? Yes.
- klipt 1y agoFire departments spray water on not burning houses?
- DeathArrow 1y agoIn the current political climate, yes.
- awongh 1y agoActually that is what you do to the houses next to the house on fire. So it doesn't spread to other buildings.
- tspike 1y agoYou could apply the same logic to "Women in X" groups. It's not discrimination as much as it is support.
- mc3301 1y agoIs this true in Japan, too?
- presentation 1y agoI don't have hard data but from my personal anecdote, I would say yes.
- Suppafly 1y agoI suspect it's worse in Japan.
- fennecfoxy 1y agoIt's true for any intelligent species with sexual dimorphism. However I agree; it's great that the initiative was started for those men, but they could totally hit up the older women in the area as well for an additional set.
- treme 1y ago[flagged]
- statskier 1y agoIt’s funny to me that the honest intent of my comment was merely “that’s neat, it would be cool to expand it to other members of the community” and people go straight to discrimination & indignation. Is it so hard to just express that it’d be cool to take a neat thing and expand it?
- presentation 1y agoSeriously, I think the subtext is that people in the West equate Japanese = sexist (and therefore are an inferior people) and that the choice of focusing on ojisans, is a sexist decision made to degrade women. When in reality it probably is just a light-hearted decision since old men are goofy, a lot of visible local businesses in rural Japan tend to be run by men, and the concept provoked a laugh.
- fennecfoxy 1y agoI'd say the core reason is more that the person who started it was very much likely to be male and had a few existing connections to the group of men featured on the cards. We should strive for equality where possible but to hold individuals account to it is tougher; we should enforce in our interactions/beliefs, that's personal responsibility. But in play or for hobbies it's harder - the group of friends I play games with is all male for example (all gay, actually). But does that mean that I need to "diversity hire" a woman for the group? We'd have no problem with that at all, if a female friend asked to join when hearing about it we'd be all for it. But it's not like we're going to go out of our way to ensure that we have at least 1 woman in our play group. If that makes sense.
- presentation 1y agoThe article says it was made by a woman. Regardless I don’t agree we need to hold these people accountable for not making female cards, it’s their prerogative to do what they think makes sense or is appealing to them, and choosing ojisans as a theme makes sense if you have experience with Japanese culture because of the vibe associated with it. Not everything needs to be a gender equality culture battle, and I’m pretty confident nobody is feeling disenfranchised because they chose that theme.
- Ferret7446 1y agoTrading cards skew toward boys, and boys are more likely to look up to men. Of course, I wouldn't rule out old babaa cards either.
- Suppafly 1y ago> I hope they expand it to include middle aged women in the community too. Neighborhood MILFs and Cougars?
- DeathArrow 1y ago>Neighborhood MILFs and Cougars? If they do that, some angry commenter on HN will shout about objectifying women.
- saagarjha 1y agoAs they should?
- akimbostrawman 1y agoOnly if they also complain about all the other objectifications often glorified.
- 9dev 1y agoNonsense. I can call out something wrong without the need to enumerate all other wrong things, too.
- akimbostrawman 1y agoIts not about enumerating all of them but not ignoring or even celebrating them because its convenient and "its different when we do it"
- saagarjha 1y agoIf we're going down this route I feel you should think about how likely it would have been that I got a similar response if I called out the objectification of men.
- akimbostrawman 1y ago