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Sadly this prediction could have been generalized to the US executive branch regardless of the most recent election. It's more of the same from what we've seen

by notfed 2y ago

Sadly this prediction could have been generalized to the US executive branch regardless of the most recent election. It's more of the same from what we've seen in the past, Democrat and Republican leader alike.

mingus88 2y ago
Far be it from me to interrupt your both-sides deflection but I’d like to ask you to cite any report in the recent past when democrats have called for the arrest or use of violence and/or the military against protesters
- just_steve_h 2y ago
  Perhaps you slept through the year leading up to the 2024 election, when Democrats sent riot police into student protests? They arrested thousands, and were plenty violent. Democratic president & governor & mayor (NYC and LA and Boston, for example). Or perhaps you missed the Occupy movement which was violently disrupted on a national scale with coordinated raids across the country, organized through the “Fusion Centers” (FBI + DHS + State & Local law enforcement)? Anyhow, my point here is that organized violence against leftist protestors is a fully bipartisan policy, and has been for more than 100 years.
- kelipso 2y ago
  You just forgot the Palestine protests or what.
  - malcolmgreaves 2y ago
    They didn’t call for mad violence against protestors. They didn’t call for arresting protestors. I imagine you won’t admit you have no evidence based in reality.
    - jauntywundrkind 2y ago
      And they didn't have Dem backed companies surveilling and trying to track protestors.
    - kelipso 2y ago
      They definitely called for arresting protesters. People don’t forget that easily lol. https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4637548-democrats-split-over-campus-protest-crackdown/ https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4637548-democrats-split-...
      - malcolmgreaves 2y ago
        No. You’re being willfully ignorant at this point. There’s a difference between convicting people of crimes and arresting protestors because one side doesn’t like what they’re saying. The republicans are literally kidnapping people who have committed no crimes but are exercising their first amendment right to free speech, writing and publishing their political views. These people are now being held in inhumane conditions. This is stage one of torture: dehumanize. And you’re dodging the more pressing and serious issues: republicans in government are advocating of using violence against protestors they don’t like. You’re avoiding this because deep down you know you have no logical nor ethical standing.
        kelipso 2y ago
        You need to stop accusing me of made up things derived from your paranoid delusions lol. Democrats wanted the protesters in jail and they put them in jail be they didn’t like what the protesters said. It really was that simple, so stop making things up from your fantasies so you can imagine this is something new and special or try to “win” some internet argument by accusing people of things that exist only in your imagination.
- generalizations 2y ago
  The trick is to call them something else. The January 6 protesters come to mind, but since they actually threatened the lawmakers - not just random proles - they aren't called "protesters". Conversely, make sure the BLM folks are definitely not called rioters, even if you have to call them "fiery but peaceful" protestors.
  - malcolmgreaves 2y ago
    Insurrectionists are not protestors.
    - generalizations 2y ago
      > The trick is to call them something else If it's politically expedient, that is. For one thing, they were far less violent than the BLM protesters. Yet one group is called 'protestors' and the other 'insurrectionists'.
      - orwin 2y ago
        Didn't they kill one police officer? Or was it two? In a single afternoon? Please tell me how many police officer did the BLM protesters killed per day, just to confirm how violent they were.
        generalizations 2y ago
        If you go look it up, it was zero, IIRC. Don't believe everything you're told. How many arsonists were among the j6 folks?
        malcolmgreaves 2y ago
        You’re in too deep into the fake conspiracy theories and lies. Please seek professional help and come back to reality
        2y ago
- raxxorraxor 2y ago
  Are you serious? Surveillance has been on the agenda at least for 25 years. Maybe Trump is president because his opposition cannot match his very, very smart mental capacities as they tumble to make such topics some bipartisan issue. Perhaps you can argue that Trumps ideas are worse, but that never creates a smart argument.
jokellum 2y ago
I'm sorry, like the other comment said you're still both-sides-ing. States / cities (democrat or republican) sent riot police, which is something they have always done. How they handled protests is worth criticism e.g. I don't like that they use curfews to suddenly make protesters breaking the law. I don't like the use of tear gas on otherwise peaceful protestors. As a note, these are state / city officials not federal guidance typically. However, The current administration, Donald Trump, the president of the united states, and the top most members of his cabinet, as a federal, top-down policy will: - Automatically identify protesters - Arrest them for simply saying things the admin doesn't like. - Bypass due-process. - Will ship them to a gulag outside of the united states. - Are on track to be found in contempt of court for refusing to bring back a lawful resident. Both sides are not the same here. Name me a democrat president who has done equal or worse what the trump admin has done.
- notjoemama 2y ago
  The rules state you need to stay on topic. Your reply violates that requirement. If you want to discuss politics instead of the technology of the post, feel free to engage other social media networks, Reddit would be a much better fit for the kind of discussion you are directing people to engage in. In the interests of fostering better quality dialogue, I think you could have replied something like, “Democrats did (X in relation to technology) where Republicans have done (Y in relation to technology). It would have accomplished the same thing and at least stayed in relation to the topic.
  - cap11235 2y ago
    [flagged]
- morkalork 2y ago
  I'm going to need a shower after this but Gitmo, extraordinary rendition, and warrantless mass surveillance were still a thing under Obama, no? Still, not even comparable to what we're witnessing now.
  - 2y ago
boothby 2y ago
Not really. Until recently, ClearView has been used by local police departments, which are not strongly aligned with both sides of the political spectrum. Likewise, DHS and TSA are not strongly aligned with both sides of the political spectrum. ClearView, which the article is about, is only strongly aligned with one side of the political spectrum and notably uses political misalignment as a warning sign. Whether or not this could have happened is completely irrelevant. This is happening. My comment here, linked to my real name, has the potential to get me put on a list of political agitators. My grandpa wore a red triangle in Soldau, and while I'm not eager to do the same, nor will I be silent. American citizens are being deported on suspicion of being immigrants today. Both-siding this is exceptionally dishonest. The article is about the actual technology being employed by today's actual government.

by notfed 2y ago

mingus88 2y ago

Far be it from me to interrupt your both-sides deflection but I’d like to ask you to cite any report in the recent past when democrats have called for the arrest or use of violence and/or the military against protesters

just_steve_h 2y ago
Perhaps you slept through the year leading up to the 2024 election, when Democrats sent riot police into student protests? They arrested thousands, and were plenty violent. Democratic president & governor & mayor (NYC and LA and Boston, for example). Or perhaps you missed the Occupy movement which was violently disrupted on a national scale with coordinated raids across the country, organized through the “Fusion Centers” (FBI + DHS + State & Local law enforcement)? Anyhow, my point here is that organized violence against leftist protestors is a fully bipartisan policy, and has been for more than 100 years.
kelipso 2y ago
You just forgot the Palestine protests or what.
- malcolmgreaves 2y ago
  They didn’t call for mad violence against protestors. They didn’t call for arresting protestors. I imagine you won’t admit you have no evidence based in reality.
  - jauntywundrkind 2y ago
    And they didn't have Dem backed companies surveilling and trying to track protestors.
  - kelipso 2y ago
    They definitely called for arresting protesters. People don’t forget that easily lol. https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4637548-democrats-split-over-campus-protest-crackdown/ https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4637548-democrats-split-...
    - malcolmgreaves 2y ago
      No. You’re being willfully ignorant at this point. There’s a difference between convicting people of crimes and arresting protestors because one side doesn’t like what they’re saying. The republicans are literally kidnapping people who have committed no crimes but are exercising their first amendment right to free speech, writing and publishing their political views. These people are now being held in inhumane conditions. This is stage one of torture: dehumanize. And you’re dodging the more pressing and serious issues: republicans in government are advocating of using violence against protestors they don’t like. You’re avoiding this because deep down you know you have no logical nor ethical standing.
      - kelipso 2y ago
        You need to stop accusing me of made up things derived from your paranoid delusions lol. Democrats wanted the protesters in jail and they put them in jail be they didn’t like what the protesters said. It really was that simple, so stop making things up from your fantasies so you can imagine this is something new and special or try to “win” some internet argument by accusing people of things that exist only in your imagination.
generalizations 2y ago
The trick is to call them something else. The January 6 protesters come to mind, but since they actually threatened the lawmakers - not just random proles - they aren't called "protesters". Conversely, make sure the BLM folks are definitely not called rioters, even if you have to call them "fiery but peaceful" protestors.
- malcolmgreaves 2y ago
  Insurrectionists are not protestors.
  - generalizations 2y ago
    > The trick is to call them something else If it's politically expedient, that is. For one thing, they were far less violent than the BLM protesters. Yet one group is called 'protestors' and the other 'insurrectionists'.
    - orwin 2y ago
      Didn't they kill one police officer? Or was it two? In a single afternoon? Please tell me how many police officer did the BLM protesters killed per day, just to confirm how violent they were.
      - generalizations 2y ago
        If you go look it up, it was zero, IIRC. Don't believe everything you're told. How many arsonists were among the j6 folks?
        malcolmgreaves 2y ago
        You’re in too deep into the fake conspiracy theories and lies. Please seek professional help and come back to reality
        2y ago
raxxorraxor 2y ago
Are you serious? Surveillance has been on the agenda at least for 25 years. Maybe Trump is president because his opposition cannot match his very, very smart mental capacities as they tumble to make such topics some bipartisan issue. Perhaps you can argue that Trumps ideas are worse, but that never creates a smart argument.

jokellum 2y ago

I'm sorry, like the other comment said you're still both-sides-ing. States / cities (democrat or republican) sent riot police, which is something they have always done. How they handled protests is worth criticism e.g. I don't like that they use curfews to suddenly make protesters breaking the law. I don't like the use of tear gas on otherwise peaceful protestors. As a note, these are state / city officials not federal guidance typically. However, The current administration, Donald Trump, the president of the united states, and the top most members of his cabinet, as a federal, top-down policy will: - Automatically identify protesters - Arrest them for simply saying things the admin doesn't like. - Bypass due-process. - Will ship them to a gulag outside of the united states. - Are on track to be found in contempt of court for refusing to bring back a lawful resident. Both sides are not the same here. Name me a democrat president who has done equal or worse what the trump admin has done.

notjoemama 2y ago
The rules state you need to stay on topic. Your reply violates that requirement. If you want to discuss politics instead of the technology of the post, feel free to engage other social media networks, Reddit would be a much better fit for the kind of discussion you are directing people to engage in. In the interests of fostering better quality dialogue, I think you could have replied something like, “Democrats did (X in relation to technology) where Republicans have done (Y in relation to technology). It would have accomplished the same thing and at least stayed in relation to the topic.
- cap11235 2y ago
  [flagged]
morkalork 2y ago
I'm going to need a shower after this but Gitmo, extraordinary rendition, and warrantless mass surveillance were still a thing under Obama, no? Still, not even comparable to what we're witnessing now.
- 2y ago

boothby 2y ago

Not really. Until recently, ClearView has been used by local police departments, which are not strongly aligned with both sides of the political spectrum. Likewise, DHS and TSA are not strongly aligned with both sides of the political spectrum. ClearView, which the article is about, is only strongly aligned with one side of the political spectrum and notably uses political misalignment as a warning sign. Whether or not this could have happened is completely irrelevant. This is happening. My comment here, linked to my real name, has the potential to get me put on a list of political agitators. My grandpa wore a red triangle in Soldau, and while I'm not eager to do the same, nor will I be silent. American citizens are being deported on suspicion of being immigrants today. Both-siding this is exceptionally dishonest. The article is about the actual technology being employed by today's actual government.