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Is it wrong of me to be a little miffed that I paid $50, admittedly a long time ago, for Textmate?
by owenjones 14y ago
Is it wrong of me to be a little miffed that I paid $50, admittedly a long time ago, for Textmate?
- pavel_lishin 14y agoDid Textmate come with a promise that your money would help fund the development of Textmate2?
- bradly 14y agoTextmate 1 came with a promise that you would get a free upgrade to Textmate 2. http://wiki.macromates.com/FAQ/TextMate2 http://wiki.macromates.com/FAQ/TextMate2 Here the developer talks about regretting the free upgrade: http://old.nabble.com/TM2-to28405435.html#a28707277 http://old.nabble.com/TM2-to28405435.html#a28707277
- 89a 14y agoSome of us had owned textmate for several years before that "promise"
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- josegonzalez 14y agoAnd you got Textmate a long time ago. And yes, your upgrade to Textmate 2 was free. So it's a bit wrong of you to think you were bamboozled.
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- berberich 14y agoYou can't currently pay for version 2 - it's in alpha, and isn't close to being released. And, as mentioned above, owners of version 1 were automatically supposed to get a license for Textmate2.
- josegonzalez 14y agoIt's open source. You now have a license to it. It also happens that everyone else does too!
- slantyyz 14y agoOnly if that version of Textmate didn't satisfy your requirements for a text editor.
- chmars 14y agoI paid for Textmate too, for Textmate I. That being said, I'm sad that the development of Textmate has come to an end. Switching to another editor sooner or later won't be easy.
- twog 14y agoSwitch to http://www.sublimetext.com/ http://www.sublimetext.com/, It will be the best decision you ever made. Its what textmate 2 should have been
- zenos 14y agoI recently also switched to Sublime Text 2, and while there are still a couple of hiccups, overall it has been an awesome editor to use. It's global search is blindingly fast, saving me tons of time while developing. Definitely recommend switching when you have a few hours of free time.
- duck 14y agoYes.
- owenjones 14y agoAlright I suppose so. I've also switched to Vim a while back and yeah totally got my money's worth from TM1.
- dman 14y agoDo you get miffed when new phones come out every year requiring you to pay again for the new features?
- LoonyPandora 14y agoI don't know how long ago you paid for it, but I paid £35 for my license 3 years and 1 day ago (August 8th, 2009) 3 years of use from a product, plus we now have the almost-guaranteed support and speedier development because of it's Open Source nature. I think it was worth the money. If you paid for it last week, I can understand frustration.
- pepsin 14y agoJust paid for it 3 weeks ago, and it's worth it.Because in my opinion, there's not so much editor can have TextMate's low learning curve.
- ralfd 14y ago> plus we now have the almost-guaranteed support and speedier development because of it's Open Source nature I am more pessimistic. I think the project died and open sourcing will just reanimate it to undead Zombie status.
- fromhet 14y agoBecause it's developement were happening at a rapid pace before the releasing of the code?
- samgranieri 14y agono its not. We've probably gotten a good solid 4 years usage out of textmate1 before we moved to Sublime or Vim
- slantyyz 14y agoAlmost 7 years for me.
- guan 14y agoJust looked up my TextMate order email. I bought it almost 8 years ago, on October 6 2004, and received license #36.
- veidr 14y agoI bought in Jan 5, 2006. I never preferred it as a text editor, but Odgaard mentioned on the MacBS list that the licenses were sequential, so I wanted to see how much a trendy one-man Mac text editor sold. My license was #4814, which means he probably grossed about $250k over those first two years. A year later, I bought it again... that time my license number was #37475. (Though I think at that point it had been in various promotions and bundles, so who knows how much $ it translates to.)
- rpwilcox 14y agoSlightly, yes. If you program for your day job you're using your editor something like 2,000 hours a year. I paid for TextMate something like 5 years ago... given that I used it for approaching 10,000 hours since then... A text editor and a computer have such an amazing return on investment it makes anything else pale in comparison. Even if you're paid $50,000 per year, your $50 investment into TextMate made you $250,000... or paid for itself 500 time over. (Edit: Sorry, I mean 5,000 times over.)
- simonbrown 14y agoYou mean 5000 times over? This assumes, however, that if you didn't have TextMate, you wouldn't earn anything at all (and would still work full time). If you paid for it, only used it at work, and it made no contribution to your earnings, it wouldn't pay for itself at all, except in terms of your own happiness.
- robotresearcher 14y ago5,000 times, and that's only if you hold TextMate responsible for the entire income. A more informative valuation of TextMate would be to compare your productivity with it versus a free alternative such as Emacs, vim or Eclipse. It may well be worth much more than $50 to you, and therefore a great deal, but probably nothing like a 5,000X ROI. : Pedantry concludes.
- codegeek 14y agoNot wrong may be but definitely not logical. Its like saying "I am miffed because I paid $500 for 32 MB of RAM 10 years ago while I can now pay $100 for 2 GB of RAM". Different times, different technology.
- slashclee 14y agoWhen was the last time you looked at RAM prices? You can get 32GB now for $100. (Complete insanity.)
- codegeek 14y agoExactly. I was just a hypothetical price but you proved my point even further. Side note, I have actually not bought RAM for like ever. Its been ages :). I guess did not need to.
- 89a 14y agoYes. Did you use it for your job? How many hours did you use it? Well worth the $50
- jlgreco 14y agoThat is a terrible way to measure utility, there are so many other factors to consider. I use my keyboard for work constantly, but it is not worth more than maybe $10 to me.
- Goronmon 14y agoThat is a terrible way to measure utility, there are so many other factors to consider. I use my keyboard for work constantly, but it is not worth more than maybe $10 to me. I'd say his measurement of utility makes a lot more sense than yours.
- jlgreco 14y agoI can grab 5 to 10 more keyboards just like the one I am using right now for free. No history of use is going to bump the value of this keyboard. It is a piece of infinitely replaceable crap that bends like a paperback book.
- alxp 14y agoAnd if you get RSI from always using a bargain basement keyboard then the utility gotten from paying extra for an ergonomic one would be lost.
- jlgreco 14y ago...I am not advocating cheap keyboards. I am saying that you cannot offset paying too much for a cheap keyboard by using it more often.
- rpwilcox 14y agoUntil you get RSI from your crappy keyboard. Which is why people will pay $100+ for a keyboard. I've bought 3 Microsoft Natural 4000s (about a $60 keyboard) over the past 3 years simply because I was away from my office for an extended period of time and my wrists started hurting.
- mikeash 14y agoYes. Do you feel something was misrepresented? Did you not get what you paid for somehow?
- ben1040 14y agoI paid a year or so ago, whenever the Textmate 2 beta came out for Textmate owners. I've gotten far more than $50 out of having access to Textmate 2 during that time. I don't feel miffed at all.
- pbreit 14y agoYes, very wrong. You have what you paid for and nothing has changed. If anything, the outlook is improved.
- zekel 14y agoI don't know about you, but TM has long been the sharpest knife in my tool drawer for a long time. To me it's worth multiples of its $50 price tag.