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SF Mayor Lurie to tech CEOs: 'How can we get you back?'
- redeeman 2y ago[flagged]
- mingus88 2y agoSo, ban cities east of the coast from shipping their homeless people to liberal cities? I don’t know how much you have traveled up and down the western states, but I have driven from Seattle to LA a few times in the past few years and SF does not have a monopoly on poverty and tent cities. It’s bad everywhere. Love to hear your thoughts on how the city of SF is supposed to stop this.
- trilbyglens 2y agoMassively increase housing availability, remove the ability of nimbys to kneecap social projects, enforce existing laws. Something can definitely be done.
- monero-xmr 2y agoNYC and Boston don’t have this problem
- doubled112 2y agoAre Boston and NYC harder to be homeless in simply because winter is harder? Migrating someplace warm would be my first idea if I found myself living in a car (or less).
- bombcar 2y agoHawaii has better weather than even San Francisco, so maybe eventually they’ll all end up there.
- kelseyfrog 2y agoIt's because NYC had a right to shelter whereas CA doesn't. It means that CA has very visible homelessness.
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- wffurr 2y agoFTA: “ The first step to winning these folks back, he said, is addressing a rampant drug and homelessness crisis that’s pushed many business leaders out of the city”
- marcusb 2y agoI don’t have an opinion on the current situation there[0], but in TFA, the mayor seems to understand that improving that stuff is part of the equation: > The first step to winning these folks back, he said, is addressing a rampant drug and homelessness crisis that’s pushed many business leaders out of the city. 0 - I haven’t visited SF since early 2020. On that trip, my hotel was near the Tenderloin and things were pretty rough vis-a-vis public intoxication, indecent exposure, homelessness, etc.
- tayo42 2y agoEvery city has an area you don't go to. Sfs just happens to be right in the middle and next to the major tourist areas and down town. The rest of city is nothing like the tenderloin.
- trilbyglens 2y agoCompletely false statement, unless you are only taking about american cities.
- tayo42 2y agoMaybe, in countries with social services.overall I think it's a mistake to think of handling the homeless, mental illness, and lack of opportunities like this on a city by city basis. It's more a reflection of America, the federal government needs to step in an help these people. Like why should each individual city help homeless veterans and not the government of the entire country that they served in.
- trilbyglens 2y agoCompletely agree. I live in Europe and my City is safe enough to sleep overnight in a park on a bench without being touched. In fact, last night I accidentally left my car keys in the ignition and my car was still there in the morning. Lol. So yeah, the idea that every city has bad parts is a pretty American notion. In fact, that's one of the commonly asked questions about people visiting my city as in where should they avoid and they have a hard time believing that there's not actually any area to avoid.
- ahmadss 2y agoall things covered in the article w direct quotes from Lurie re: homelessness, drugs, building permits. he missed the feces part though, but assume he's working on that too
- mvdtnz 2y ago[flagged]
- photochemsyn 2y ago> "We want our entrepreneurs starting businesses and then staying here," said Lurie. "That means streamlining permitting, making it easier to start a restaurant, a bar, or a startup." I really wish the emphasis was on high-tech manufacturing startups, and the degree of automation isn't really that important. Prototype shops, specialty manufacturing, etc. should all be encouraged.
- toomuchtodo 2y agoSF is not the place for that, from a shipping and logistics perspective (imho). Memphis, TN or Louisville, KY is where you’d want to be (FedEx and UPS primary hubs, respectively). This enables having output in the hands of consumers or partners in <24 hours from completion.
- mvdtnz 2y agoManufacturers don't need direct shipping access to consumers.
- toomuchtodo 2y agoI am an investor in an advanced manufacturing enterprise for spray nozzles (think beverage, ag, fuel applications). Time to end user is a consideration in the business the org does, based on my conversations with account managers. I admit how relevant this is is going to be a function of customer requirements and expectations, particularly around prototyping feedback loop (edit: a part being manufactured using an advanced CNC machine at ~4pm central time can be in the hands of a customer by 8am the next day, for example).
- dangus 2y agoWhy not have that? If you manufacture in the Midwest you have a labor force and education institute already oriented toward manufacturing, you have shipping proximity, low wages, and low cost of land and materials. What are you getting out of the Bay Area in comparison? SF’s bigger problem is convincing software tech companies (which are far more profitable than advanced manufacturing) to stay rather than leaving for lower cost talent-concentrated areas like Austin, the east coast, the Carolinas, and even offshoring into Costa Rica, Poland, and other hotspots for software talent. If you hire an entry level software engineer in Ohio or Indiana you can pay them five figures and they’ll buy a single family home for $300,000 or maybe even less.
- janalsncm 2y agoAnnouncing initiatives and proposing laws is a good start. Unfortunately these problems are decades in the making and won’t be fixed overnight.
- NoTeslaThrow 2y ago[flagged]
- JumpCrisscross 2y agoHousing. Like, deregulate permitting for residential construction for ten years. Every entrepreneur I know who lived in and loved San Francisco had to move out because of the cost of housing and private schools (apparently the middle schools are either super competitive to get into or lined with metal detectors).
- MostlyStable 2y agoThat's gonna be a tough row to hoe given where they currently are: https://x.com/sp6runderrated/status/1879257360344199255 https://x.com/sp6runderrated/status/1879257360344199255
- JumpCrisscross 2y agoWhich is why I suggest deregulating permitting, not permitting reform. You need automatic permitting as long as state building codes are met, and even then, let the state enforce them. The human cost of the housing crisis is worth the risk that a dodgy developer puts up a Millennium Tower.
- nikodunk 2y agoThis. I still live here and you can really feel it. I like your solution - much cleaner while we're trying to reform permitting. Berkeley just nearly got it done but got stuck in committees https://darrellowens.substack.com/p/the-big-zoning-battle-of-berkeley https://darrellowens.substack.com/p/the-big-zoning-battle-of... - we need a faster solution. Edit: reading the article, Lurie is proposing this: - https://www.sf.gov/mayor-lurie-launches-permit-reform-effort-with-focus-on-housing-and-small-business https://www.sf.gov/mayor-lurie-launches-permit-reform-effort... - https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/lurie-housing-rezoning-plan-20255343.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/lurie-housing-rezonin... Note to self: Read the article before diving into the comments.
- arcticbull 2y agoI am once again advocating for federalized zoning rules. The federal government should invalidate all local punitive zoning regulations under the dormant commerce clause. Housing is interstate commerce. This is the same basis that enables the Fair Housing Act, and of course, the FCC's ruling on Chicago satellite dishes. Individuals should have a right to build exactly what they want on their own property, and to charge whatever they want to tenants. If your neighbors object, they can buy you out. If the city thinks we need rent controlled housing, they can buy you out, put up a tenement and charge exactly what they want. This whole city council telling you how much you can list your place for and what color your facade can be is wild. If it meets code, you should have a right to build it, and charge whatever you want. The regulatory capture by existing landowners has to end. It's utterly un-American.
- surume 2y agoThis makes no sense. CEO’s are inherently capitalist, but SF is a communist city, so her appeal is absurd on its face.
- tyre 2y agoThis doesn't matter. Look, SF voters are not going to vote for this. It's not going to happen. The people you're courting—by definition—don't live there. The existing economic base is fine. Well-paid tech employees aren't civically engaged and their salaries are enough to cover their housing. Until they aren't, like when starting a family, at which point many move out of the city and no longer have a vote. The major, high-turnout voters are _home owners_. They do not want cheaper permitting because it will drive down their property values. That's the whole point! It's the same as the homelessness epidemic in SF. Everyone theoretically supports it but in a strong council system, no supervisor (their equivalent of a city council member) will support it for their district. "I support homeless shelters and de-regulation, just not in my district" is the prevailing take, which means neither will ever pass.
- archagon 2y agoSupport for entrepreneurs and small businesses is great, but the last thing I want is for the CEOs and VCs who hate our city and gleefully put us in our current political predicament to make a triumphant return from their Texan silos. Keep them out or get voted out. Let them go build their Network State or whatever-the-fuck somewhere else.
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- cadamsdotcom 2y agoA good friend of mine bought an apartment in Hayes Valley 6 or 7 years back. They’ve had their doorbell stolen, trash left in the street, and just yesterday had to call 311 because a man was in their street yelling and they couldn’t leave. Yesterday here in Sydney it was a nice autumn day - I walked down the hill from home and took a nap on the sand of Bondi Beach with my phone and my stuff in a bag next to me. Was napping a good hour in the sun, never thought twice about my phone. Got home and my car had not been broken into. In fact I don’t know anyone in Australia who has ever had their car broken into. Not one. I lived in SF 2013-2019. Mid-Market & Tenderloin is hard to explain but makes sense once you live there. SF has pockets that are stunning, but nowhere offers the quality of life I found by moving away. Sad to be further from the epicenter of tech, but your day to day happiness and stress levels have to take priority. To the latest mayor promising to do better: we see you, we know you are doing your best. Thankyou for caring - unpicking this knot of social problems is going to take a long time of consistently caring.
- x3n0ph3n3 2y agoThe homeless problem, rampant petty crime, and the school district are why I will never move my family into SF. Life is much better further down the peninsula.
- zzgo 2y agoI'll never understand why they put the jobs on land surrounded by a moat on three sides. I had a supervisor 10 years ago who had a then-new 2 bedroom apartment in Mission Bay with her husband and child for $4900/mo. That's great if you're earning engineering manager money and your spouse is _also_ an engineer, but for those of us with children less than $200K household income, it's unaffordable. What I want to hear about is startups surrounded on all 4 sides by affordable housing and decent public transit dropping you off within two blocks of work. Waking up in the morning and getting on that screeching BART train sucked away my will to put in 100% every day.
- 4d4m 2y agoImprove the quality of life for everyone equally. When policies end up deteriorating the living experience of the taxpayer base and making business more difficult, people and businesses flee.