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Almost every contentious issue has a set of facts that support one side of the argument, while also having a set of facts that support the other side. More oft

Almost every contentious issue has a set of facts that support one side of the argument, while also having a set of facts that support the other side. More often than not, a biased story is one that focuses exclusively on one set of facts while completely ignoring the other set. Fact checkers may catch falsehoods that are reported as facts, but they rarely point out obvious ommissions.

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Joel_Mckay 2y ago
In many ways, a half-truth is worse than a simple lie, and there is no guarantee all parties are wrong in their own way: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Poems_of_John_Godfrey_Saxe/The_Blind_Men_and_the_Elephant https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Poems_of_John_Godfrey_Sax... Media tends to interview the most outrageous looking imbecile they can find at any event... regardless of political affiliation. The Sinclair Broadcast Group helps local news maintain consistent messaging, and thus any mistakes intentional or not are less noticeable. Fact-checking is only as good as the data sources people find. There are groups that ran entire fake scientific journals to sell the public outright nonsense. Verifiable facts are difficult to validate. "AI"/LLM slop content just made it worse =3
- didgetmaster 2y ago
  Those who do not understand how AI works might think that it might correct all the falsehoods that come along. But if an LLM is trained on data full of errors and falsehoods, then the resulting model will only reenforce them rather than correct them.
01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago
I guess. I'm not convinced by the facts on the other side of LGBTQ discourse. Is it really true I could be arrested in Florida because my driver's license says I'm female? It doesn't protect anyone. It doesn't make anyone's life better.
- IshKebab 2y ago
  Not sure what discourse or side you're talking about, but... no the Florida police are not arresting everyone whose driving license says they are female. Obviously.
  - DoctorOW 1y ago
    If you're curious about this, Erin in the Morning is a fantastic resource on the resurging politicization of LGBTQ+ people. Knowing about her Substack made it trivial for me to find the issue. https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/florida-misrepresenting-gender-on https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/florida-misrepresenting-g...
    - IshKebab 1y ago
      Yeah I found the story, but this is not true: > I could be arrested in Florida because my driver's license says I'm female A true statement would be > Florida now requires the gender on newly issued licenses to be your biological sex. I'm making no judgement on whether or not that is a good idea (I honestly have no idea), but I do care about the truth (and we're in a thread about the importance of fact checking!) so I feel like it's important to point out misinformation.
      - DoctorOW 1y ago
        I'm not sure what source you found the story on but you missed a really key line of the original document "Furthermore, misrepresenting one's gender, understood as sex, on a driver license constitutes fraud under s. 322,212, F.S., and subjects an offender to criminal and civil penalties" which reasonably backs up the claim. Also I am going to claim it IS a bad idea. The Florida law intentionally redefines biological sex to not include any phenotypical traits (i.e. what a biologist would use to determine sex) and instead goes by birth certificate as it was filled out at birth. I'm also just generally a proponent of free speech and free thought and dislike the idea of government defining your identity for you.
IshKebab 2y ago
Yeah but sometimes the facts are entirely fabricated, as is the case here.
bitwize 2y ago
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enaaem 1y ago
I follow a forum of my favourite sports team and people get into very heated debates who is good and who is not. By selectively pulling out stats and incidents you can really argue for any side. Note that they are fans of the same team, so it's all pride and ego.

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Joel_Mckay 2y ago

In many ways, a half-truth is worse than a simple lie, and there is no guarantee all parties are wrong in their own way: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Poems_of_John_Godfrey_Saxe/The_Blind_Men_and_the_Elephant https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Poems_of_John_Godfrey_Sax... Media tends to interview the most outrageous looking imbecile they can find at any event... regardless of political affiliation. The Sinclair Broadcast Group helps local news maintain consistent messaging, and thus any mistakes intentional or not are less noticeable. Fact-checking is only as good as the data sources people find. There are groups that ran entire fake scientific journals to sell the public outright nonsense. Verifiable facts are difficult to validate. "AI"/LLM slop content just made it worse =3

didgetmaster 2y ago
Those who do not understand how AI works might think that it might correct all the falsehoods that come along. But if an LLM is trained on data full of errors and falsehoods, then the resulting model will only reenforce them rather than correct them.

01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago

I guess. I'm not convinced by the facts on the other side of LGBTQ discourse. Is it really true I could be arrested in Florida because my driver's license says I'm female? It doesn't protect anyone. It doesn't make anyone's life better.

IshKebab 2y ago
Not sure what discourse or side you're talking about, but... no the Florida police are not arresting everyone whose driving license says they are female. Obviously.
- DoctorOW 1y ago
  If you're curious about this, Erin in the Morning is a fantastic resource on the resurging politicization of LGBTQ+ people. Knowing about her Substack made it trivial for me to find the issue. https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/florida-misrepresenting-gender-on https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/florida-misrepresenting-g...
  - IshKebab 1y ago
    Yeah I found the story, but this is not true: > I could be arrested in Florida because my driver's license says I'm female A true statement would be > Florida now requires the gender on newly issued licenses to be your biological sex. I'm making no judgement on whether or not that is a good idea (I honestly have no idea), but I do care about the truth (and we're in a thread about the importance of fact checking!) so I feel like it's important to point out misinformation.
    - DoctorOW 1y ago
      I'm not sure what source you found the story on but you missed a really key line of the original document "Furthermore, misrepresenting one's gender, understood as sex, on a driver license constitutes fraud under s. 322,212, F.S., and subjects an offender to criminal and civil penalties" which reasonably backs up the claim. Also I am going to claim it IS a bad idea. The Florida law intentionally redefines biological sex to not include any phenotypical traits (i.e. what a biologist would use to determine sex) and instead goes by birth certificate as it was filled out at birth. I'm also just generally a proponent of free speech and free thought and dislike the idea of government defining your identity for you.

IshKebab 2y ago

Yeah but sometimes the facts are entirely fabricated, as is the case here.

bitwize 2y ago

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enaaem 1y ago

I follow a forum of my favourite sports team and people get into very heated debates who is good and who is not. By selectively pulling out stats and incidents you can really argue for any side. Note that they are fans of the same team, so it's all pride and ego.