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Did not have to read this, not that I could get into it :) Anyway, Trump is handing the economic world to China. Many countries Trump alienated will probably

by jmclnx 2y ago

Did not have to read this, not that I could get into it :) Anyway, Trump is handing the economic world to China. Many countries Trump alienated will probably replace much US trade with Chinese and other east Asian Countries. Already you see Canada and the EU moving closer together, I am sure China is hanging around and will eventually get an "in". Makes me wonder how this will impact the USD as the world's reserve currency. If the USD is dropped, we are in for a lot of hurt. So as MAGA people use to say about Biden, "Thanks Trump".

bryanlarsen 2y ago
The Biden carrot was more successful in getting foreign countries to do what he wanted than the Trump stick. Biden had successfully instigated a trade war between Canada & China, by getting Canada to join the US in putting a 100% tax on Chinese EV's. This exasperated an already tense relationship due to the extradition of Meng Wanzhou and resulted in nasty tariffs on Canadian oilseeds, legumes, seafood and pork. I'm relatively confident Canada will settle with China to avoid a two front war.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > Canada will settle with China to avoid a two front war The wild thing is it may be in Canada’s interest to seek security guarantees from China at this point.
  - _t9ow 2y ago
    > to seek security guarantees from China at this point. The Chinese won't provide these guarantees. If you understand Chinese culture and read Chinese history, you'd realise that the Han are generally not a very militaristic people. (As an example, look into Zheng He and his fleet of massive ships, which he used only for trade and expeditions, and not for colonialism.) They simply don't have the same ambition or interest as the US does in placing boots on the ground and interfering militarily in other countries. (Neither are they interested in imposing their current authoritarian Sino-Marxist system on other nations -- such fears are merely a consequence of projection by the US and the West, which have historically behaved in ideologically dogmatic ways, being quick to judge, condemn, and prescribe, while unwilling and unable to understand different contexts and nuances.) No Chinese parents would tolerate the idea of sending their sons to die defending Canada, a Western country an ocean away with nary any historical and cultural ties to China. And, contrary to what most people here might assume, the CCP does care about what the Chinese people think.
    - spwa4 2y ago
      > Neither are they interested in imposing their current authoritarian Sino-Marxist system on other nations Tibet would like a word. Oh and so would Xinjang, Bhutan, Hong Kong, ...
      - thiagoharry 2y ago
        Most of these cases were about former chinese areas that were occupied and stolen by the west. Suddenly, when China wanted them back, western countries begun caring about democracy and freedom. Compare this with current western powers which commited atrocities all around the world with colonies, US which attacked and invaded areas which were never theirs in Texas and Hawaii, and supported all sort of genocide, coups and invasions when countries around the entire world did not aligned with its capitalist system.

by jmclnx 2y ago

bryanlarsen 2y ago

The Biden carrot was more successful in getting foreign countries to do what he wanted than the Trump stick. Biden had successfully instigated a trade war between Canada & China, by getting Canada to join the US in putting a 100% tax on Chinese EV's. This exasperated an already tense relationship due to the extradition of Meng Wanzhou and resulted in nasty tariffs on Canadian oilseeds, legumes, seafood and pork. I'm relatively confident Canada will settle with China to avoid a two front war.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> Canada will settle with China to avoid a two front war The wild thing is it may be in Canada’s interest to seek security guarantees from China at this point.
- _t9ow 2y ago
  > to seek security guarantees from China at this point. The Chinese won't provide these guarantees. If you understand Chinese culture and read Chinese history, you'd realise that the Han are generally not a very militaristic people. (As an example, look into Zheng He and his fleet of massive ships, which he used only for trade and expeditions, and not for colonialism.) They simply don't have the same ambition or interest as the US does in placing boots on the ground and interfering militarily in other countries. (Neither are they interested in imposing their current authoritarian Sino-Marxist system on other nations -- such fears are merely a consequence of projection by the US and the West, which have historically behaved in ideologically dogmatic ways, being quick to judge, condemn, and prescribe, while unwilling and unable to understand different contexts and nuances.) No Chinese parents would tolerate the idea of sending their sons to die defending Canada, a Western country an ocean away with nary any historical and cultural ties to China. And, contrary to what most people here might assume, the CCP does care about what the Chinese people think.
  - spwa4 2y ago
    > Neither are they interested in imposing their current authoritarian Sino-Marxist system on other nations Tibet would like a word. Oh and so would Xinjang, Bhutan, Hong Kong, ...
    - thiagoharry 2y ago
      Most of these cases were about former chinese areas that were occupied and stolen by the west. Suddenly, when China wanted them back, western countries begun caring about democracy and freedom. Compare this with current western powers which commited atrocities all around the world with colonies, US which attacked and invaded areas which were never theirs in Texas and Hawaii, and supported all sort of genocide, coups and invasions when countries around the entire world did not aligned with its capitalist system.