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Germany's 'Deutschlandticket' helps environment – study
- quakeguy 2y agoNothing new under the sun.
- Aldipower 2y ago"A study funded by the German government ..." bla bla bla I mean, the Deutschlandticket is finance by taxes, so it is no surprise, that a study financed by the government, that is responsible for the taxes, reveals only good things.
- niemandhier 2y agoParts of the government would like to get rid of it, we are a nation of car companies after all.
- Aldipower 2y agoNot true, when this study was financed. I have nothing against the Deutschlandticket, like it too. But I do not like bad studies.
- ziddoap 2y ago>But I do not like bad studies. Can you share your link to the study & data? I'd like to determine if it is a "bad study" myself. I looked at the links in the article and it doesn't seem to have the study.
- Aldipower 2y agoSure. As there is only one "study" Deutschewelle relates to. https://mcc-berlin-ariadne.shinyapps.io/dticket-tracker/ https://mcc-berlin-ariadne.shinyapps.io/dticket-tracker/ Highly biased. Telling you this is actually the job of DW, not me.
- oytis 2y agoThe government decided to introduce Deutschlandticket to, among other things, reduce CO2 emissions. The government financed a study to quantify the effect. I don't really see a conflict of interests here, or how it compromises the integrity of the study.
- Aldipower 2y agoThe conflict is the potential waste of tax money, if it does not work as advertised.
- Krasnol 2y agoI don't know what conspiracy you try to construct here, but it doesn't make sense. The new government would love to have a study which says that it didn't help, so they can cut it. They'd still want to cut it and it already got more expensive. Also, this is a Meta-analysis. Here it is: https://ariadneprojekt.de/media/2025/04/Ariadne-Report_Deutschlandticket_April2025.pdf https://ariadneprojekt.de/media/2025/04/Ariadne-Report_Deuts... Try reading that before you start spreading such constructs.
- Aldipower 2y agoNot sure why you are going ad hominem with "conspiracy", "constructs" or "try reading that", literally saying I am stupid. Besides that, the new government you are talking about isn't in charge yet. Earliest May.
- oytis 2y agoThat's exactly why you need the study, to measure the effects, understand whether it works as expected, and make an informed decision on whether to prolong the program.
- riedel 2y agoThe study was published by the Ariadne Project[0]. They also publish studies that actually criticize other subsidiaries by the government [1] Our research system in Germany is mostly publically funded, btw. Not sure who else would fund an independent study. It is actually a meta study, that states it's methodology and also mentiones contradictory results. [0] https://ariadneprojekt.de/news-de/deutschlandticket-verkehrsverlagerung-statt-zusaetzliche-fahrten/ https://ariadneprojekt.de/news-de/deutschlandticket-verkehrs... [1] https://ariadneprojekt.de/en/press-releases/a-reward-of-several-hundred-euros-for-a-ton-of-co2-climate-damaging-subsidies-in-transport-undermine-co2-pricing/ https://ariadneprojekt.de/en/press-releases/a-reward-of-seve...
- raffael_de 2y agoI can't find the study anywhere.
- pixelpoet 2y agoMine's even paid for by the company, and on top of that we get a great discounted bike program: https://www.jobrad.org/ https://www.jobrad.org/ Over 40 years old, lived in basically all the countries, never had a driver's licence!
- Etheryte 2y agoSomewhat curious, how long is the list of "basically all the countries" really?
- jeofken 2y agoMaybe GP means country as in “Bundesland”, like how British people call their regions “countries“
- chaoskanzlerin 2y agoMight not be what you meant, but German uses the same word for "state (federal subdivision)" and "country", known as "Land". In contrast, "Staat" refers chiefly to the administrative apparatus (implicitly of some country).
- pixelpoet 2y agoEhh yeah actually the list of countries isn't that long, and I mean living as in at least a few months (but most are at least a few years) in own apartment etc. Includes Indonesia (used to speak Bahasa as a kid), South Africa, Poland, Czechia, USA, England, Germany, Switzerland, and probably some others along the way. I suppose the actually-long list is cities; in Germany I've lived in 6 cities, and it's quite a few cities for some of the other countries. My main point though is that, while I get there are places where you absolutely need a car, a lot of people (particularly in car-cultured countries) are surprised to hear you can get by just fine without one in many cases.
- ChrisArchitect 2y agoSome previous discussion: Germany's 49-euro ticket resulted in significant shift from road to rail https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41819481 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41819481
- dfxm12 2y agoIt probably helps tourism too. Foreigners in Japan can get a rail pass at a huge discount. I might not have left Tokyo if not for it. It would be fun to pop around the country, from Munich to Stuttgart (for Oktoberfest and Volksfest?), then onto Frankfurt and Nuremburg. It looks like it pays for itself after 2 trips.
- zeeZ 2y agoThe Japan Rail Pass has gotten a price hike recently and now it feels like you have to keep chasing trains a lot to make it worthwhile. The regional passes are a bit better, but still require more moving around than I'm comfortable with for a vacation. The Deutschlandticket is only valid for up to Reginald lines and not on faster trains like IC and ICE. It's already worth it money wise for the first trip already, but only using local connections adds at least an hour per trip between those cities, plus a bunch of layovers.
- elpocko 2y agoIt doesn't. The ticket is available as a monthly subscription only, you can't just go and buy one.
- dietr1ch 2y agoWhich would help tourism if tourists could buy it, but the app asked for some Id and double-checking the web asks for an European address (UK is also listed)
- elpocko 2y agoYeah, as in "you can just go and buy one." It looks like they made it intentionally hard to acquire the ticket: government issued identification required, no way to purchase it ad hoc, subscription only; it's German bureaucratic hell. It's as if they want it to fail.
- usr1106 2y agoThe political reasoning was that it's for commuters only. Tourism is not a big thing on federal level, so they don't want to subsidize tickets for tourists. Tourist areas sometimes have special tourist tickets for their guests.
- comrade1234 2y agoPre-pandemic some cities/kantons here in Switzerland wanted to make public transportation free (we’re still recovering from running trains and transport essentially empty for a couple of years). However the Swiss constitution says that people have to be charged a “reasonable” fee for public transportation. It was probably meant to make it so they can’t be overcharged. But it’s been also interpreted that there has to be a minimum charge - thus no free transport.
- switch007 2y ago> but some are saying it should be cheaper. That made me chuckle I know it's not the same thing but many in the south of England are paying £3,000-8,000/yr just to commute into London LOL