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Europe won’t fight the US, that’s insanity!

goatlover 2y ago
No, but I'm sure there would be economic sanctions and severing of diplomatic ties. At least with Canada, perhaps Greenland wouldn't be seen as worth it outside of Denmark, but there's no way the EU and a lot of other countries would just let Canada be invaded without some sort of punishment. And it's quite possible Russia would take that as a very serious threat with the US trying to gain that much control over the Arctic. So likely a threat of nuclear escalation would follow.
Jtsummers 2y ago
If the US invades Greenland, Europe could choose not to fight but they can absolutely fuck the US over in every other way. Stop providing power to US military bases in Europe (naval bases might be able to provide a portion of their own power from ships). Stop or slow walk fuel deliveries to air and naval bases. Don't provide the labor at those same bases (the Europeans working in those bases would quit on their own, this would require no coordination from any governments). What's the US going to do? Invade all of Europe to fight back? Send troops out to claim European power plants and infrastructure? And hold it how? The US military (as in the enlisted and officer corps) does not run their own logistics. The logistics are all pushed onto civil service and contractors, many, if not most, of whom would quit rather than engage in a war with our current allies.
- andy_ppp 2y ago
  Withdraw and watch Russia start a war with Europe.
  - trilbyglens 2y ago
    Russia is gasping for air. Trying to hold 1/3 of Ukraine. Do you really think they would stand a chance if all of Europe United against them? It would be ugly for sure, but Russia would be no more.
    - bodiekane 2y ago
      Trump likes Putin more than he likes any European leader. If the scenario here is that US invades Greenland leading to an EU vs US schism, then it might not be Russia today vs EU today. It could be EU minus US support vs Russia with US support. That'd be a pretty different dynamic, and pretty bleak for democracy.
      - trilbyglens 2y ago
        Well, that would be certainly a pretty incredible flip, and I'm not sure something that could happen within four years, but who knows?
  - orwin 2y ago
    When you see the damages 13 first-gen Caesars and a couple of month of training did to Russian artillery, you wonder what 90 of updated ones can do with people who operated them for 5 years. The Russian can't fight the EU in the air, and even if S400 and S800 were as good as advertised and managed an air interdiction area, Excalibur missiles are a thing.
anigbrowl 2y ago
So is the idea of annexing Greenland and absorbing Canada, but here we are

No, but I'm sure there would be economic sanctions and severing of diplomatic ties. At least with Canada, perhaps Greenland wouldn't be seen as worth it outside of Denmark, but there's no way the EU and a lot of other countries would just let Canada be invaded without some sort of punishment. And it's quite possible Russia would take that as a very serious threat with the US trying to gain that much control over the Arctic. So likely a threat of nuclear escalation would follow.

Jtsummers 2y ago

If the US invades Greenland, Europe could choose not to fight but they can absolutely fuck the US over in every other way. Stop providing power to US military bases in Europe (naval bases might be able to provide a portion of their own power from ships). Stop or slow walk fuel deliveries to air and naval bases. Don't provide the labor at those same bases (the Europeans working in those bases would quit on their own, this would require no coordination from any governments). What's the US going to do? Invade all of Europe to fight back? Send troops out to claim European power plants and infrastructure? And hold it how? The US military (as in the enlisted and officer corps) does not run their own logistics. The logistics are all pushed onto civil service and contractors, many, if not most, of whom would quit rather than engage in a war with our current allies.

andy_ppp 2y ago
Withdraw and watch Russia start a war with Europe.
- trilbyglens 2y ago
  Russia is gasping for air. Trying to hold 1/3 of Ukraine. Do you really think they would stand a chance if all of Europe United against them? It would be ugly for sure, but Russia would be no more.
  - bodiekane 2y ago
    Trump likes Putin more than he likes any European leader. If the scenario here is that US invades Greenland leading to an EU vs US schism, then it might not be Russia today vs EU today. It could be EU minus US support vs Russia with US support. That'd be a pretty different dynamic, and pretty bleak for democracy.
    - trilbyglens 2y ago
      Well, that would be certainly a pretty incredible flip, and I'm not sure something that could happen within four years, but who knows?
- orwin 2y ago
  When you see the damages 13 first-gen Caesars and a couple of month of training did to Russian artillery, you wonder what 90 of updated ones can do with people who operated them for 5 years. The Russian can't fight the EU in the air, and even if S400 and S800 were as good as advertised and managed an air interdiction area, Excalibur missiles are a thing.

anigbrowl 2y ago

So is the idea of annexing Greenland and absorbing Canada, but here we are