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$5-500 monthly payments just to bypass a decent anti-cheat...Cheaters must reflash their BIOS, wipe their PCs, reinstall Windows, and create a new account to pl

$5-500 monthly payments just to bypass a decent anti-cheat...Cheaters must reflash their BIOS, wipe their PCs, reinstall Windows, and create a new account to play again...every few weeks This is fun? If it's eSports for $$ I understand the incentive, otherwise pretending to be good, all the while likely having not a twinge of irony hit you as you 'git gud the opposition... It's a mindset I don't understand.

recursivecaveat 2y ago
I think a lot of people are simply delusional. "My teams are holding me back, I only turn it on when they're throwing the game" or "I have the game sense of a masters player, I just don't have time to practice execution / grind rank". Boosting account ranks is the same deal, and it's a big industry.
- denkmoon 2y ago
  Everyone's the good guy in their own mind.
- burnished 2y ago
  Oh absolutely, used to see it in LoL, people would complain about their teammates holding them back and really deserving to be two leagues higher.. all I could say was that if you watched better players you'd see that the game they are playing and the game we are playing are only superficially similar, and that if you were playing on that level it'd be obvious (cause you'd be winning). Don't think it ever penetrated though.
aruametello 2y ago
> It's a mindset I don't understand. one of the scenarios is the person that is not looking on the enjoyment of "winning", but instead diving on the "trolling" realms of ruining the fun of others. its irrelevant if he gets a ban because when he hears someone getting mad at him or sad, he gets a boner. the mentality of "trying to punch people that cant defend themselves" is the description that i give of these to people that dont play video games. (because most wouldn't cheat without the anonymity)
- mpolichette 2y ago
  I'd also consider that, for these people, getting away with the cheating _is the game_ for them. What they're cheating at might be less important.
  - Peacefulz 2y ago
    Let me preface this with a disclaimer. The games I cheat on are mostly private servers of active games, that exist in defiance of the companies Terms of Service. Mostly RuneScape servers or other MMOs being privately hosted. Whatever that caveat may lend. This is exclusively what it is for me. I don't care about the games I cheat on at all. The game is finding ways to cheat that the host can't combat. If I can't beat them, I find a new private server. To be fair though, those guys generally don't have the resources or know-how to battle cheating to the degree major companies can and I'm a noob so it's a learning environment for me as well.
    - pete762 2y ago
      But you're still ruining other people's fun for selfish reasons. Why not find some fun activity that's not a zero sum game?
      - Peacefulz 2y ago
        The type of cheating I do rarely interfaces with other players, outside of enriching them with the spoils of my effort when I'm through. In a protracted way I can agree this "ruins the fun"...but not in the way that griefing does. I just spike in-game economies and leave. Balance is shortly restored.
        Doxin 2y ago
        > outside of enriching them with the spoils of my effort when I'm through For what it's worth, to me and I assume a lot of other people, this ruins the game. There's nothing I dislike more than getting invited to a survival minecraft server (or whatever) and having someone dump diamond everything on me as a gift. What even is the point of playing the game anymore at that point?
Aurornis 2y ago
This is in the same vein as trolling and griefing: Some people give up at the first difficulty. Others will see it as a challenge and get a thrill out of overcoming it. The more challenging it becomes, the more invested they get.
inetknght 2y ago
> It's a mindset I don't understand. As someone who used to cheat in online games until I got a real job... I could create my own story. I would cheat on servers where other people wanted to play in that story too. Eventually cheats become mods and mods become permitted. Once everyone has access to that story then the story is boring. Think about a dungeon master who brings their own tools and props to some other board game and then invents a whole new game. Plenty of games or game mods kind've started in similar ways. Plus it was fun to sometimes exact revenge upon other cheaters.
- kibibu 2y ago
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viccis 2y ago
I'd imagine the people who want the hardcore undetectable stuff are making money by charging others to boost them.
Retr0id 2y ago
Cheat dev is a meta-game in itself, but I agree, paying for cheats is a really weird concept.
nextlevelwizard 2y ago
Peer pressure is hell of a drug. If your friend group mainly plays competitive shooters and you suck at them you can easily gain status by paying for a aimbot. Also current hustle culture’s toxic “your time is valuable and should not be wasted” mentality plays a role. Many people hate playing video games and losing because they then feel like they didn’t achieve anything and wasted their time. With cheats you can make sure you win so you “don’t end up wasting your time.”
trod1234 2y ago
The mindset is simple to understand. It is the self-deluded individual who enjoys abusing and torturing others, and has willfully blinded themselves to anything else. More beast walking on two legs than human, and meets a relatively objective definition for evil people. Willfully blinded through acts of false justification, repeated acts of destruction and active torture on others. These are things if they did it physically they would go to prison or be put to death under capital punishment. Psychological harm isn't being treated with the same rigor as physical harm though.

recursivecaveat 2y ago

I think a lot of people are simply delusional. "My teams are holding me back, I only turn it on when they're throwing the game" or "I have the game sense of a masters player, I just don't have time to practice execution / grind rank". Boosting account ranks is the same deal, and it's a big industry.

denkmoon 2y ago
Everyone's the good guy in their own mind.
burnished 2y ago
Oh absolutely, used to see it in LoL, people would complain about their teammates holding them back and really deserving to be two leagues higher.. all I could say was that if you watched better players you'd see that the game they are playing and the game we are playing are only superficially similar, and that if you were playing on that level it'd be obvious (cause you'd be winning). Don't think it ever penetrated though.

aruametello 2y ago

> It's a mindset I don't understand. one of the scenarios is the person that is not looking on the enjoyment of "winning", but instead diving on the "trolling" realms of ruining the fun of others. its irrelevant if he gets a ban because when he hears someone getting mad at him or sad, he gets a boner. the mentality of "trying to punch people that cant defend themselves" is the description that i give of these to people that dont play video games. (because most wouldn't cheat without the anonymity)

mpolichette 2y ago
I'd also consider that, for these people, getting away with the cheating _is the game_ for them. What they're cheating at might be less important.
- Peacefulz 2y ago
  Let me preface this with a disclaimer. The games I cheat on are mostly private servers of active games, that exist in defiance of the companies Terms of Service. Mostly RuneScape servers or other MMOs being privately hosted. Whatever that caveat may lend. This is exclusively what it is for me. I don't care about the games I cheat on at all. The game is finding ways to cheat that the host can't combat. If I can't beat them, I find a new private server. To be fair though, those guys generally don't have the resources or know-how to battle cheating to the degree major companies can and I'm a noob so it's a learning environment for me as well.
  - pete762 2y ago
    But you're still ruining other people's fun for selfish reasons. Why not find some fun activity that's not a zero sum game?
    - Peacefulz 2y ago
      The type of cheating I do rarely interfaces with other players, outside of enriching them with the spoils of my effort when I'm through. In a protracted way I can agree this "ruins the fun"...but not in the way that griefing does. I just spike in-game economies and leave. Balance is shortly restored.
      - Doxin 2y ago
        > outside of enriching them with the spoils of my effort when I'm through For what it's worth, to me and I assume a lot of other people, this ruins the game. There's nothing I dislike more than getting invited to a survival minecraft server (or whatever) and having someone dump diamond everything on me as a gift. What even is the point of playing the game anymore at that point?

Aurornis 2y ago

This is in the same vein as trolling and griefing: Some people give up at the first difficulty. Others will see it as a challenge and get a thrill out of overcoming it. The more challenging it becomes, the more invested they get.

inetknght 2y ago

> It's a mindset I don't understand. As someone who used to cheat in online games until I got a real job... I could create my own story. I would cheat on servers where other people wanted to play in that story too. Eventually cheats become mods and mods become permitted. Once everyone has access to that story then the story is boring. Think about a dungeon master who brings their own tools and props to some other board game and then invents a whole new game. Plenty of games or game mods kind've started in similar ways. Plus it was fun to sometimes exact revenge upon other cheaters.

kibibu 2y ago
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viccis 2y ago

I'd imagine the people who want the hardcore undetectable stuff are making money by charging others to boost them.

Retr0id 2y ago

Cheat dev is a meta-game in itself, but I agree, paying for cheats is a really weird concept.

nextlevelwizard 2y ago

Peer pressure is hell of a drug. If your friend group mainly plays competitive shooters and you suck at them you can easily gain status by paying for a aimbot. Also current hustle culture’s toxic “your time is valuable and should not be wasted” mentality plays a role. Many people hate playing video games and losing because they then feel like they didn’t achieve anything and wasted their time. With cheats you can make sure you win so you “don’t end up wasting your time.”

trod1234 2y ago

The mindset is simple to understand. It is the self-deluded individual who enjoys abusing and torturing others, and has willfully blinded themselves to anything else. More beast walking on two legs than human, and meets a relatively objective definition for evil people. Willfully blinded through acts of false justification, repeated acts of destruction and active torture on others. These are things if they did it physically they would go to prison or be put to death under capital punishment. Psychological harm isn't being treated with the same rigor as physical harm though.