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One thing worth noting is that congress isn't pleased about the executive branch high jacking the powers of appropriations from them (i.e. imposing a tax on the

One thing worth noting is that congress isn't pleased about the executive branch high jacking the powers of appropriations from them (i.e. imposing a tax on the people in the form of a tariff).

dcrazy 2y ago
I see no evidence of your claim. A total of 4 senators of the President’s party voted symbolically on a non-binding resolution against his Canada tariffs. The Speaker of the House, who also belongs to the President’s party, won’t even bring it up for a vote. There has been no motion from the legislative branch to undo the President’s direct subversion of the power of the purse by effectively eliminating the staff required to disburse Congressionally-approved funds.
- DFHippie 2y ago
  > There has been no motion from the legislative branch ... Surely you mean there is no motion from those in power in the legislative branch, namely the Republicans. The Democrats and Democrat-aligned independents make motions which are blocked by the Republicans. People's inability to recognize who is responsible for bad acts leads to throw-the-bums out elections. People are disgruntled, whether based on facts or false beliefs fostered by propaganda. They throw the bums out. They hope for better things. If we want the government to function better, we need to assign responsibility, not let Senator X and his pals, or Representative Y and her pals, screw everything thing up and then hide in the crowd. "Oh, look what the legislative branch has done! Throw them all out!"
betaporter 2y ago
I'm sure they are working on a very strongly worded letter about this right this very moment.
- fransje26 2y ago
  You recon they've emerged from their slumber yet? /s But maybe their share portfolio being hurt will bring them to action...
- leptons 2y ago
  What exactly do you expect them to do when voters took away their power and gave it to Republicans?
  - DennisP 2y ago
    Since the GOP had its own dissenters on the budget, Democrats could have started by not voting for the budget without extracting concessions. When Democrats were in power, the Republicans found all sorts of ways to gum up the works.
    - leptons 2y ago
      trump would love a government shutdown, as he has proven. I really doubt shutting down the govt would change any situation when trump is legislating by executive order, and mostly a shutdown would hurt Americans. You're trying to simplify something that isn't simple at all, and blame the Democrats for not doing what an armchair expert wants.
      - DennisP 2y ago
        It's not just about what Trump wants. Most Republicans in Congress would like to get reelected. In the comment above you suggested there's nothing congressional Democrats can do. That is incorrect. Any time the Republicans don't have unanimity, and any time they need sixty votes in the Senate, the Democrats have leverage. They need the guts, and/or the understanding of basic game theory, to use it. Calling me an "armchair expert" and waving your hands about how things are complicated is not a counterargument.
        leptons 2y ago
        >any time they need sixty votes in the Senate, the Democrats have leverage. And how many votes are needed for every executive order he signs? None, is the answer. The tarrifs required not one single vote from congress. There won't be any votes that require 60 in the Senate that will happen for trump to continue his awful agenda. Please tell us where exactly Democrats have any power, and be specific.
Analemma_ 2y ago
Are they going to actually do anything about it? If not, their displeasure isn't worth a fart in the wind.
anon6362 2y ago
The root cause is the IEEPA (1977) which was vaguely worded to supposedly shrink executive authority under TWEA (1917) which allowed essentially unlimited executive authority "emergencies" to be declared for an unspecified amount of time. IEEPA was used to block TikTok, which still may get blocked, and used to set these arbitrary tariffs. IEEPA needs to be fully abolished. (And we also need to bring back the Tillman Act (1907) and get an amendment to overturn CU.)

One thing worth noting is that congress isn't pleased about the executive branch high jacking the powers of appropriations from them (i.e. imposing a tax on the people in the form of a tariff).

dcrazy 2y ago

I see no evidence of your claim. A total of 4 senators of the President’s party voted symbolically on a non-binding resolution against his Canada tariffs. The Speaker of the House, who also belongs to the President’s party, won’t even bring it up for a vote. There has been no motion from the legislative branch to undo the President’s direct subversion of the power of the purse by effectively eliminating the staff required to disburse Congressionally-approved funds.

DFHippie 2y ago
> There has been no motion from the legislative branch ... Surely you mean there is no motion from those in power in the legislative branch, namely the Republicans. The Democrats and Democrat-aligned independents make motions which are blocked by the Republicans. People's inability to recognize who is responsible for bad acts leads to throw-the-bums out elections. People are disgruntled, whether based on facts or false beliefs fostered by propaganda. They throw the bums out. They hope for better things. If we want the government to function better, we need to assign responsibility, not let Senator X and his pals, or Representative Y and her pals, screw everything thing up and then hide in the crowd. "Oh, look what the legislative branch has done! Throw them all out!"

betaporter 2y ago

I'm sure they are working on a very strongly worded letter about this right this very moment.

fransje26 2y ago
You recon they've emerged from their slumber yet? /s But maybe their share portfolio being hurt will bring them to action...
leptons 2y ago
What exactly do you expect them to do when voters took away their power and gave it to Republicans?
- DennisP 2y ago
  Since the GOP had its own dissenters on the budget, Democrats could have started by not voting for the budget without extracting concessions. When Democrats were in power, the Republicans found all sorts of ways to gum up the works.
  - leptons 2y ago
    trump would love a government shutdown, as he has proven. I really doubt shutting down the govt would change any situation when trump is legislating by executive order, and mostly a shutdown would hurt Americans. You're trying to simplify something that isn't simple at all, and blame the Democrats for not doing what an armchair expert wants.
    - DennisP 2y ago
      It's not just about what Trump wants. Most Republicans in Congress would like to get reelected. In the comment above you suggested there's nothing congressional Democrats can do. That is incorrect. Any time the Republicans don't have unanimity, and any time they need sixty votes in the Senate, the Democrats have leverage. They need the guts, and/or the understanding of basic game theory, to use it. Calling me an "armchair expert" and waving your hands about how things are complicated is not a counterargument.
      - leptons 2y ago
        >any time they need sixty votes in the Senate, the Democrats have leverage. And how many votes are needed for every executive order he signs? None, is the answer. The tarrifs required not one single vote from congress. There won't be any votes that require 60 in the Senate that will happen for trump to continue his awful agenda. Please tell us where exactly Democrats have any power, and be specific.

Analemma_ 2y ago

Are they going to actually do anything about it? If not, their displeasure isn't worth a fart in the wind.

anon6362 2y ago

The root cause is the IEEPA (1977) which was vaguely worded to supposedly shrink executive authority under TWEA (1917) which allowed essentially unlimited executive authority "emergencies" to be declared for an unspecified amount of time. IEEPA was used to block TikTok, which still may get blocked, and used to set these arbitrary tariffs. IEEPA needs to be fully abolished. (And we also need to bring back the Tillman Act (1907) and get an amendment to overturn CU.)