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If Jan 6th didn't dissuade people, I don't think anything will. Additionally, his base will not blame him, they will swallow whichever of the many narratives t

by wayeq 2y ago

If Jan 6th didn't dissuade people, I don't think anything will. Additionally, his base will not blame him, they will swallow whichever of the many narratives the propagandists are currently cooking up that suites their fancy.

boringg 2y ago
One thing worth noting is that congress isn't pleased about the executive branch high jacking the powers of appropriations from them (i.e. imposing a tax on the people in the form of a tariff).
- dcrazy 2y ago
  I see no evidence of your claim. A total of 4 senators of the President’s party voted symbolically on a non-binding resolution against his Canada tariffs. The Speaker of the House, who also belongs to the President’s party, won’t even bring it up for a vote. There has been no motion from the legislative branch to undo the President’s direct subversion of the power of the purse by effectively eliminating the staff required to disburse Congressionally-approved funds.
  - DFHippie 2y ago
    > There has been no motion from the legislative branch ... Surely you mean there is no motion from those in power in the legislative branch, namely the Republicans. The Democrats and Democrat-aligned independents make motions which are blocked by the Republicans. People's inability to recognize who is responsible for bad acts leads to throw-the-bums out elections. People are disgruntled, whether based on facts or false beliefs fostered by propaganda. They throw the bums out. They hope for better things. If we want the government to function better, we need to assign responsibility, not let Senator X and his pals, or Representative Y and her pals, screw everything thing up and then hide in the crowd. "Oh, look what the legislative branch has done! Throw them all out!"
- betaporter 2y ago
  I'm sure they are working on a very strongly worded letter about this right this very moment.
  - fransje26 2y ago
    You recon they've emerged from their slumber yet? /s But maybe their share portfolio being hurt will bring them to action...
  - leptons 2y ago
    What exactly do you expect them to do when voters took away their power and gave it to Republicans?
    - DennisP 2y ago
      Since the GOP had its own dissenters on the budget, Democrats could have started by not voting for the budget without extracting concessions. When Democrats were in power, the Republicans found all sorts of ways to gum up the works.
      - leptons 2y ago
        trump would love a government shutdown, as he has proven. I really doubt shutting down the govt would change any situation when trump is legislating by executive order, and mostly a shutdown would hurt Americans. You're trying to simplify something that isn't simple at all, and blame the Democrats for not doing what an armchair expert wants.
        DennisP 2y ago
        It's not just about what Trump wants. Most Republicans in Congress would like to get reelected. In the comment above you suggested there's nothing congressional Democrats can do. That is incorrect. Any time the Republicans don't have unanimity, and any time they need sixty votes in the Senate, the Democrats have leverage. They need the guts, and/or the understanding of basic game theory, to use it. Calling me an "armchair expert" and waving your hands about how things are complicated is not a counterargument.
- Analemma_ 2y ago
  Are they going to actually do anything about it? If not, their displeasure isn't worth a fart in the wind.
- anon6362 2y ago
  The root cause is the IEEPA (1977) which was vaguely worded to supposedly shrink executive authority under TWEA (1917) which allowed essentially unlimited executive authority "emergencies" to be declared for an unspecified amount of time. IEEPA was used to block TikTok, which still may get blocked, and used to set these arbitrary tariffs. IEEPA needs to be fully abolished. (And we also need to bring back the Tillman Act (1907) and get an amendment to overturn CU.)
brokencode 2y ago
I disagree with this. Jan 6th didn’t affect 99% of peoples lives directly. It was clearly bad, but few people saw impacts in their own lives. Higher prices and a possible recession will affect every person in the country and even globally. His MAGA base might not blame him, but that’s only like 30-40% of the electorate. The other 60-70% won’t be happy if their lives are negatively impacted.
- superconduct123 2y ago
  That's the thing, there is an almost impenetrable media wall that no amount of "this is bad" news articles can get through IMO the only thing that can get through is actual personal consequences for the voter themself
  - NickM 2y ago
    IMO the only thing that can get through is actual personal consequences for the voter themself Well, yes. And his approval rating has been steadily declining in tandem with the stock market declines he's caused. If/when prices suddenly skyrocket because of tariffs, you can bet his approval ratings will decline further.
  - watwut 2y ago
    They will blame left, democrats, immigrants, women and Canada for that. They will not blame Trump, republicans, conservatives nor anyone who work foe them.
  - gamblor956 2y ago
    That won't work. WaPo, LAT, etc. have run numerous articles where MAGA voters talk about the consequences of his actions to them or immediate family members (getting laid off, losing medical coverage, deportation, etc.) and they say it's worth the sacrifice because they just know that Trump is actually looking out for them and won't let them suffer for too long.
    - brokencode 2y ago
Bhilai 2y ago
Spoke to a friend who is a big Trump supporter just yesterday - his view is that we shouldn't react to short term impact, these policies and tariffs should be viewed and judged in the long term. These tariffs will remake american manufacturing. I dont know if thats the current faux news talking point.
- codezero 2y ago
  This would be easier if they laid out the details of their long term plan.
- MajimasEyepatch 2y ago
  Yep, that's the talking point. Howard Lutnick has been out there saying this. For better or worse, though, voters don't judge politicians based on the impact their policies have in 10-20 years. They're going to judge these tariffs in 18 months when they vote in the midterms and again in 2028, long before a widespread shift in manufacturing can occur.
- recoup-papyrus 2y ago
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hnthrowaway0315 2y ago
The thing is that Jan 6th was done by part of the "people", so it's now America versus America.
- gizzlon 2y ago
  Everything done is done by "by part of the "people""
  - hnthrowaway0315 2y ago
    Yeah that's the point, we should not use the term "the people" lightly.
timewizard 2y ago
"If propaganda doesn't dissuade people I don't think anything will." You accidentally answered your own question.
mlsu 2y ago
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
EasyMark 2y ago
Jan 6 was far from many people's lives. It was a philisophical debate at most. When they get to the stores to buy groceries and they are 30-50% higher and their next TV, laptop the same way, they will realize that voting for an Oompa Loompa was a bad idea, and will want him out.
15155 2y ago
> Jan 6th Folks who try to make "the insurrection!" a thing don't really have a good read on the pulse of the average American. This is a failed branding attempt for what amounted to an unscheduled tour around the Capitol. The same people pushing "Jan 6th" can normally take home the gold medal in mental gymnastics when discussing the events ending with numerous American cities being on fire just 6 months prior. Multi-city infernos were "mostly peaceful" protests, but when a Republican is shot by Capitol security, it's an "insurrection."

by wayeq 2y ago

boringg 2y ago

One thing worth noting is that congress isn't pleased about the executive branch high jacking the powers of appropriations from them (i.e. imposing a tax on the people in the form of a tariff).

dcrazy 2y ago
I see no evidence of your claim. A total of 4 senators of the President’s party voted symbolically on a non-binding resolution against his Canada tariffs. The Speaker of the House, who also belongs to the President’s party, won’t even bring it up for a vote. There has been no motion from the legislative branch to undo the President’s direct subversion of the power of the purse by effectively eliminating the staff required to disburse Congressionally-approved funds.
- DFHippie 2y ago
  > There has been no motion from the legislative branch ... Surely you mean there is no motion from those in power in the legislative branch, namely the Republicans. The Democrats and Democrat-aligned independents make motions which are blocked by the Republicans. People's inability to recognize who is responsible for bad acts leads to throw-the-bums out elections. People are disgruntled, whether based on facts or false beliefs fostered by propaganda. They throw the bums out. They hope for better things. If we want the government to function better, we need to assign responsibility, not let Senator X and his pals, or Representative Y and her pals, screw everything thing up and then hide in the crowd. "Oh, look what the legislative branch has done! Throw them all out!"
betaporter 2y ago
I'm sure they are working on a very strongly worded letter about this right this very moment.
- fransje26 2y ago
  You recon they've emerged from their slumber yet? /s But maybe their share portfolio being hurt will bring them to action...
- leptons 2y ago
  What exactly do you expect them to do when voters took away their power and gave it to Republicans?
  - DennisP 2y ago
    Since the GOP had its own dissenters on the budget, Democrats could have started by not voting for the budget without extracting concessions. When Democrats were in power, the Republicans found all sorts of ways to gum up the works.
    - leptons 2y ago
      trump would love a government shutdown, as he has proven. I really doubt shutting down the govt would change any situation when trump is legislating by executive order, and mostly a shutdown would hurt Americans. You're trying to simplify something that isn't simple at all, and blame the Democrats for not doing what an armchair expert wants.
      - DennisP 2y ago
        It's not just about what Trump wants. Most Republicans in Congress would like to get reelected. In the comment above you suggested there's nothing congressional Democrats can do. That is incorrect. Any time the Republicans don't have unanimity, and any time they need sixty votes in the Senate, the Democrats have leverage. They need the guts, and/or the understanding of basic game theory, to use it. Calling me an "armchair expert" and waving your hands about how things are complicated is not a counterargument.
Analemma_ 2y ago
Are they going to actually do anything about it? If not, their displeasure isn't worth a fart in the wind.
anon6362 2y ago
The root cause is the IEEPA (1977) which was vaguely worded to supposedly shrink executive authority under TWEA (1917) which allowed essentially unlimited executive authority "emergencies" to be declared for an unspecified amount of time. IEEPA was used to block TikTok, which still may get blocked, and used to set these arbitrary tariffs. IEEPA needs to be fully abolished. (And we also need to bring back the Tillman Act (1907) and get an amendment to overturn CU.)

brokencode 2y ago

I disagree with this. Jan 6th didn’t affect 99% of peoples lives directly. It was clearly bad, but few people saw impacts in their own lives. Higher prices and a possible recession will affect every person in the country and even globally. His MAGA base might not blame him, but that’s only like 30-40% of the electorate. The other 60-70% won’t be happy if their lives are negatively impacted.

superconduct123 2y ago
That's the thing, there is an almost impenetrable media wall that no amount of "this is bad" news articles can get through IMO the only thing that can get through is actual personal consequences for the voter themself
- NickM 2y ago
  IMO the only thing that can get through is actual personal consequences for the voter themself Well, yes. And his approval rating has been steadily declining in tandem with the stock market declines he's caused. If/when prices suddenly skyrocket because of tariffs, you can bet his approval ratings will decline further.
- watwut 2y ago
  They will blame left, democrats, immigrants, women and Canada for that. They will not blame Trump, republicans, conservatives nor anyone who work foe them.
- gamblor956 2y ago
  That won't work. WaPo, LAT, etc. have run numerous articles where MAGA voters talk about the consequences of his actions to them or immediate family members (getting laid off, losing medical coverage, deportation, etc.) and they say it's worth the sacrifice because they just know that Trump is actually looking out for them and won't let them suffer for too long.
  - brokencode 2y ago

Bhilai 2y ago

Spoke to a friend who is a big Trump supporter just yesterday - his view is that we shouldn't react to short term impact, these policies and tariffs should be viewed and judged in the long term. These tariffs will remake american manufacturing. I dont know if thats the current faux news talking point.

codezero 2y ago
This would be easier if they laid out the details of their long term plan.
MajimasEyepatch 2y ago
Yep, that's the talking point. Howard Lutnick has been out there saying this. For better or worse, though, voters don't judge politicians based on the impact their policies have in 10-20 years. They're going to judge these tariffs in 18 months when they vote in the midterms and again in 2028, long before a widespread shift in manufacturing can occur.
recoup-papyrus 2y ago
[flagged]

hnthrowaway0315 2y ago

The thing is that Jan 6th was done by part of the "people", so it's now America versus America.

gizzlon 2y ago
Everything done is done by "by part of the "people""
- hnthrowaway0315 2y ago
  Yeah that's the point, we should not use the term "the people" lightly.

timewizard 2y ago

"If propaganda doesn't dissuade people I don't think anything will." You accidentally answered your own question.

mlsu 2y ago

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

EasyMark 2y ago

Jan 6 was far from many people's lives. It was a philisophical debate at most. When they get to the stores to buy groceries and they are 30-50% higher and their next TV, laptop the same way, they will realize that voting for an Oompa Loompa was a bad idea, and will want him out.

15155 2y ago

> Jan 6th Folks who try to make "the insurrection!" a thing don't really have a good read on the pulse of the average American. This is a failed branding attempt for what amounted to an unscheduled tour around the Capitol. The same people pushing "Jan 6th" can normally take home the gold medal in mental gymnastics when discussing the events ending with numerous American cities being on fire just 6 months prior. Multi-city infernos were "mostly peaceful" protests, but when a Republican is shot by Capitol security, it's an "insurrection."