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Or just let California Avocado farmers determine for themselves if this is a business they would like to continue to be in. The old fashioned way.

by SllX 2y ago

Dylan16807 2y ago
What do you mean by "or"? A trade arrangement lets then decide just fine. It's not going to be a subsidy for mexican ones or anything like that. Unless you mean let them decide on whether a tariff should hinder their competition, in which case hell no don't let any industry be in charge of their own protections.
- banqjls 2y ago
  A trade arrangement with a poorer country means they’ll be out of business which means they won’t get to decide.
  - Dylan16807 2y ago
    If "get to decide" implies the government is actively forcing the business model to be viable, then it stops being an obvious answer of "of course let them decide!".
- SllX 2y ago
  We don’t need a trade arrangement to liberalize avocado production, nor should we encode within one our preference for domestic or imported avocados. Free trade agreements are a misnomer. If you want to free up trade and production, just zero out import tariffs and call it a day.
  - Dylan16807 2y ago
    Removing tariffs or similar barriers is what I assume a trade agreement for avocados would do. Do you have something different in mind?
    - SllX 2y ago
      You don’t need an agreement. The POTUS has near unilateral authority to adjust tariffs thanks to Congress, so all you need to do is do is zero them out. Bilateral and multilateral trade agreements are nonsense. If you’re optimizing for the free flow of goods: zero out the tariffs. You can do this unilaterally, even if the counterparty nation doesn’t reciprocate. If you want to protect an industry, then adjust tariffs to such a degree that the counterparty nation is either not favored or disfavored in pricing. If you want to punish the counterparty nation, zero out trade and/or blockade the nation, or otherwise prevent its most valuable resources from coming to market. What you don’t need to do at any step or point of this process is to try and think at a “higher level” about what’s best for California farmers in terms of what they ought to be doing with their land instead. The California agricultural industry is already the largest, most valuable, most lucrative and most diverse in the nation. It’s got plenty of cash crops, of which avocados are just one. If you’re eyeballing agricultural reforms, start with the subsidies that encourage much of the other 49 States to continue their ways as corn and soybean republics.

Or just let California Avocado farmers determine for themselves if this is a business they would like to continue to be in. The old fashioned way.

by SllX 2y ago

Or just let California Avocado farmers determine for themselves if this is a business they would like to continue to be in. The old fashioned way.

Dylan16807 2y ago

What do you mean by "or"? A trade arrangement lets then decide just fine. It's not going to be a subsidy for mexican ones or anything like that. Unless you mean let them decide on whether a tariff should hinder their competition, in which case hell no don't let any industry be in charge of their own protections.

banqjls 2y ago
A trade arrangement with a poorer country means they’ll be out of business which means they won’t get to decide.
- Dylan16807 2y ago
  If "get to decide" implies the government is actively forcing the business model to be viable, then it stops being an obvious answer of "of course let them decide!".
SllX 2y ago
We don’t need a trade arrangement to liberalize avocado production, nor should we encode within one our preference for domestic or imported avocados. Free trade agreements are a misnomer. If you want to free up trade and production, just zero out import tariffs and call it a day.
- Dylan16807 2y ago
  Removing tariffs or similar barriers is what I assume a trade agreement for avocados would do. Do you have something different in mind?
  - SllX 2y ago
    You don’t need an agreement. The POTUS has near unilateral authority to adjust tariffs thanks to Congress, so all you need to do is do is zero them out. Bilateral and multilateral trade agreements are nonsense. If you’re optimizing for the free flow of goods: zero out the tariffs. You can do this unilaterally, even if the counterparty nation doesn’t reciprocate. If you want to protect an industry, then adjust tariffs to such a degree that the counterparty nation is either not favored or disfavored in pricing. If you want to punish the counterparty nation, zero out trade and/or blockade the nation, or otherwise prevent its most valuable resources from coming to market. What you don’t need to do at any step or point of this process is to try and think at a “higher level” about what’s best for California farmers in terms of what they ought to be doing with their land instead. The California agricultural industry is already the largest, most valuable, most lucrative and most diverse in the nation. It’s got plenty of cash crops, of which avocados are just one. If you’re eyeballing agricultural reforms, start with the subsidies that encourage much of the other 49 States to continue their ways as corn and soybean republics.