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You hit on it. This is something that (small cohort of) American farmers can do domestically, but at a higher level, we ought to determine if it's better to do
by ibejoeb 2y ago
You hit on it. This is something that (small cohort of) American farmers can do domestically, but at a higher level, we ought to determine if it's better to do that or to have a trade arrangement. I really believe that Mexican avocados is a win/win. It frees up California farmers to produce more essential resources, and it gives Mexico a very viable export. I really like this as a study of healthy trade.
- TulliusCicero 2y ago> I really like this as a study of healthy trade. https://globalinitiative.net/analysis/mexicos-avocado-boom-and-organized-crime/ https://globalinitiative.net/analysis/mexicos-avocado-boom-a... > While the European Union and Mexico are in the final rounds of negotiations towards the “modernization” of the EU-Mexico Trade Agreement (Global Agreement) our objective is to understand the dynamics of violence that accompanied the avocado boom, including organized crime activities, human rights violations, environmental crime and harm, and the potential impact of further liberalizing trade between Mexico and the EU. > ... > Increased international demand led to an expansion of land dedicated to avocado production, to the detriment of forest cover, resulting in deforestation and the subsequent degradation of soil, water, and biodiversity.
- ibejoeb 2y agoOn violence: sure, let's investigate it. I'm truly unsure if avocado production is a significant progenitor of violence, especially when compared to the prosperity it affords to the growers. > Increased international demand led to an expansion of land dedicated to avocado production I'm sensitive to that. That is my point on California.
- whatever1 2y agoViolence cartels that have amassed more power than militaries (go to tiktok and see for yourself, they are literally flashing their attack helicopters, military grade weapons and armored vehicles) will use violence to control the flow of any commodity and asset. Avocados are not the problem. The cartels will get their cut one way or the other.
- facile3232 2y agoTo be fair I think the exact same thing about my own government.
- echelon_musk 2y agoWhich government is that which is comparable to Mexican cartels?
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- sethammons 2y agoWatch the episode of Rotten that features the avocado trade. What country's govt acts the "exact same?" One example would be kidnapping to extort farmers, causing them to lose their farm and livelihood
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- actionfromafar 2y agoIf you mean the US, I don't agree. It has a long way yet to get there, but it's fighting really hard and making great progress at becoming more like a criminal gang.
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- zorked 2y agoThis is all used by the EU for protectionist reasons to try to extract an unfair advantage in the trade negotiations. Let's see if the EU is as concerned about the environmental impact of all those tanks that they are building.
- watwut 2y agoEU does not have a choice when it comes to "building tanks". There is expanding Russia and America supporting them while being very hostile to EU. EU did wanted and tried to cooperate in win-win setup with America, it is America who decided they want to attack former allies.
- freehorse 2y agoThe fact that EU uses it for protectionist reasons does not make it wrong or untrue, though. And frankly, if cost reduction is based on destruction of earth and slavery-like working conditions in cartel-controlled lands, it makes sense to disincentivise these at least, if not boycott completely. The problem with EU doing it for protectionist reasons is that it does not apply similar standards for what is happening inside the EU, eg re:working conditions in strawberry production. For the military industry part, I completely agree. This applies already to certain war situations that were and keep being encouraged.
- 9dev 2y agoEating avocados is not a necessity. Protecting yourself against a mad dictator invading your neighbours is. Especially if the USA is ruled by an imbecile clown that cannot think further than his belly button. Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good.
- michaelt 2y ago> Let's see if the EU is as concerned about the environmental impact of all those tanks that they are building. The alternative is an Anglo-French nuclear strike. The tanks are a lot less environmentally damaging, relatively speaking.
- poincaredisk 2y ago>to the detriment of forest cover, resulting in deforestation and the subsequent degradation of soil, water, and biodiversity. I just love when developed countries (mine included) that have already cut down most of their forest cover get all in arms when a developing country wants to improve it's economy at a cost of cutting down some of their forests.
- TulliusCicero 2y agoWho's up in arms? Certainly not me. I'm just pointing out that this trade isn't really unusual, there's the typical tradeoffs involved.
- SllX 2y agoOr just let California Avocado farmers determine for themselves if this is a business they would like to continue to be in. The old fashioned way.
- Dylan16807 2y agoWhat do you mean by "or"? A trade arrangement lets then decide just fine. It's not going to be a subsidy for mexican ones or anything like that. Unless you mean let them decide on whether a tariff should hinder their competition, in which case hell no don't let any industry be in charge of their own protections.
- banqjls 2y agoA trade arrangement with a poorer country means they’ll be out of business which means they won’t get to decide.
- Dylan16807 2y agoIf "get to decide" implies the government is actively forcing the business model to be viable, then it stops being an obvious answer of "of course let them decide!".
- SllX 2y agoWe don’t need a trade arrangement to liberalize avocado production, nor should we encode within one our preference for domestic or imported avocados. Free trade agreements are a misnomer. If you want to free up trade and production, just zero out import tariffs and call it a day.
- Dylan16807 2y agoRemoving tariffs or similar barriers is what I assume a trade agreement for avocados would do. Do you have something different in mind?
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