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This reads like an ad from the Hass Avacado Board.[1] Turns out that California is having a good avocado production year. Last year was bad, for usual farming

This reads like an ad from the Hass Avacado Board.[1] Turns out that California is having a good avocado production year. Last year was bad, for usual farming problem reasons.[2] Not really much need for imports for the next few months. [1] https://hassavocadoboard.com/ https://hassavocadoboard.com/ [2] https://www.freshfruitportal.com/news/2025/01/30/california-avocado-crop-promises-relief-amid-soaring-prices/ https://www.freshfruitportal.com/news/2025/01/30/california-...

neom 2y ago
That first website is quite amusing to someone not in avacados... "HAPRIO IMPACT The Hass Avocado Promotion, Research and Information Order (HAPRIO) created the Hass Avocado Board (HAB), an industry-funded national program that has been recognized for being key to growing U.S. avocado consumption and driving value for producers and importers since its inception in 2002." sounds like an apache project.
- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago
  Yep, for remote desktop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Guacamole https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Guacamole
ibejoeb 2y ago
You hit on it. This is something that (small cohort of) American farmers can do domestically, but at a higher level, we ought to determine if it's better to do that or to have a trade arrangement. I really believe that Mexican avocados is a win/win. It frees up California farmers to produce more essential resources, and it gives Mexico a very viable export. I really like this as a study of healthy trade.
- TulliusCicero 2y ago
  > I really like this as a study of healthy trade. https://globalinitiative.net/analysis/mexicos-avocado-boom-and-organized-crime/ https://globalinitiative.net/analysis/mexicos-avocado-boom-a... > While the European Union and Mexico are in the final rounds of negotiations towards the “modernization” of the EU-Mexico Trade Agreement (Global Agreement) our objective is to understand the dynamics of violence that accompanied the avocado boom, including organized crime activities, human rights violations, environmental crime and harm, and the potential impact of further liberalizing trade between Mexico and the EU. > ... > Increased international demand led to an expansion of land dedicated to avocado production, to the detriment of forest cover, resulting in deforestation and the subsequent degradation of soil, water, and biodiversity.
  - ibejoeb 2y ago
    On violence: sure, let's investigate it. I'm truly unsure if avocado production is a significant progenitor of violence, especially when compared to the prosperity it affords to the growers. > Increased international demand led to an expansion of land dedicated to avocado production I'm sensitive to that. That is my point on California.
  - whatever1 2y ago
    Violence cartels that have amassed more power than militaries (go to tiktok and see for yourself, they are literally flashing their attack helicopters, military grade weapons and armored vehicles) will use violence to control the flow of any commodity and asset. Avocados are not the problem. The cartels will get their cut one way or the other.
    - facile3232 2y ago
      To be fair I think the exact same thing about my own government.
      - echelon_musk 2y ago
        Which government is that which is comparable to Mexican cartels?
        facile3232 2y ago
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      - sethammons 2y ago
        Watch the episode of Rotten that features the avocado trade. What country's govt acts the "exact same?" One example would be kidnapping to extort farmers, causing them to lose their farm and livelihood
        facile3232 2y ago
- SllX 2y ago
  Or just let California Avocado farmers determine for themselves if this is a business they would like to continue to be in. The old fashioned way.
  - Dylan16807 2y ago
    What do you mean by "or"? A trade arrangement lets then decide just fine. It's not going to be a subsidy for mexican ones or anything like that. Unless you mean let them decide on whether a tariff should hinder their competition, in which case hell no don't let any industry be in charge of their own protections.
    - banqjls 2y ago
      A trade arrangement with a poorer country means they’ll be out of business which means they won’t get to decide.
      - Dylan16807 2y ago
        If "get to decide" implies the government is actively forcing the business model to be viable, then it stops being an obvious answer of "of course let them decide!".
    - SllX 2y ago
      We don’t need a trade arrangement to liberalize avocado production, nor should we encode within one our preference for domestic or imported avocados. Free trade agreements are a misnomer. If you want to free up trade and production, just zero out import tariffs and call it a day.
      - Dylan16807 2y ago
        Removing tariffs or similar barriers is what I assume a trade agreement for avocados would do. Do you have something different in mind?
        2y ago
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arp242 2y ago
All these superlatives ("voracious appetite", "devours", "conquering America", "dazzling", "crazy number") in the first few paragraphs alone make it sound like an Apple announcement or something. Also, the "9 pounds of avocados a year" is about 27 avocados/year, or about one avocado every two weeks. Sounds a lot less spectacular. Of course, what we really need to know is many Olympic swimming pools all those avocados would fill.
- Animats 2y ago
  > All these superlatives ("voracious appetite", "devours", "conquering America", "dazzling", "crazy number") Yes, which is why this looks like an ad or planted story.

neom 2y ago

That first website is quite amusing to someone not in avacados... "HAPRIO IMPACT The Hass Avocado Promotion, Research and Information Order (HAPRIO) created the Hass Avocado Board (HAB), an industry-funded national program that has been recognized for being key to growing U.S. avocado consumption and driving value for producers and importers since its inception in 2002." sounds like an apache project.

01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago
Yep, for remote desktop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Guacamole https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Guacamole

ibejoeb 2y ago

You hit on it. This is something that (small cohort of) American farmers can do domestically, but at a higher level, we ought to determine if it's better to do that or to have a trade arrangement. I really believe that Mexican avocados is a win/win. It frees up California farmers to produce more essential resources, and it gives Mexico a very viable export. I really like this as a study of healthy trade.

TulliusCicero 2y ago
> I really like this as a study of healthy trade. https://globalinitiative.net/analysis/mexicos-avocado-boom-and-organized-crime/ https://globalinitiative.net/analysis/mexicos-avocado-boom-a... > While the European Union and Mexico are in the final rounds of negotiations towards the “modernization” of the EU-Mexico Trade Agreement (Global Agreement) our objective is to understand the dynamics of violence that accompanied the avocado boom, including organized crime activities, human rights violations, environmental crime and harm, and the potential impact of further liberalizing trade between Mexico and the EU. > ... > Increased international demand led to an expansion of land dedicated to avocado production, to the detriment of forest cover, resulting in deforestation and the subsequent degradation of soil, water, and biodiversity.
- ibejoeb 2y ago
  On violence: sure, let's investigate it. I'm truly unsure if avocado production is a significant progenitor of violence, especially when compared to the prosperity it affords to the growers. > Increased international demand led to an expansion of land dedicated to avocado production I'm sensitive to that. That is my point on California.
- whatever1 2y ago
  Violence cartels that have amassed more power than militaries (go to tiktok and see for yourself, they are literally flashing their attack helicopters, military grade weapons and armored vehicles) will use violence to control the flow of any commodity and asset. Avocados are not the problem. The cartels will get their cut one way or the other.
  - facile3232 2y ago
    To be fair I think the exact same thing about my own government.
    - echelon_musk 2y ago
      Which government is that which is comparable to Mexican cartels?
      - facile3232 2y ago
        [flagged]
    - sethammons 2y ago
      Watch the episode of Rotten that features the avocado trade. What country's govt acts the "exact same?" One example would be kidnapping to extort farmers, causing them to lose their farm and livelihood
      - facile3232 2y ago
SllX 2y ago
Or just let California Avocado farmers determine for themselves if this is a business they would like to continue to be in. The old fashioned way.
- Dylan16807 2y ago
  What do you mean by "or"? A trade arrangement lets then decide just fine. It's not going to be a subsidy for mexican ones or anything like that. Unless you mean let them decide on whether a tariff should hinder their competition, in which case hell no don't let any industry be in charge of their own protections.
  - banqjls 2y ago
    A trade arrangement with a poorer country means they’ll be out of business which means they won’t get to decide.
    - Dylan16807 2y ago
      If "get to decide" implies the government is actively forcing the business model to be viable, then it stops being an obvious answer of "of course let them decide!".
  - SllX 2y ago
    We don’t need a trade arrangement to liberalize avocado production, nor should we encode within one our preference for domestic or imported avocados. Free trade agreements are a misnomer. If you want to free up trade and production, just zero out import tariffs and call it a day.
    - Dylan16807 2y ago
      Removing tariffs or similar barriers is what I assume a trade agreement for avocados would do. Do you have something different in mind?
      - 2y ago
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arp242 2y ago

All these superlatives ("voracious appetite", "devours", "conquering America", "dazzling", "crazy number") in the first few paragraphs alone make it sound like an Apple announcement or something. Also, the "9 pounds of avocados a year" is about 27 avocados/year, or about one avocado every two weeks. Sounds a lot less spectacular. Of course, what we really need to know is many Olympic swimming pools all those avocados would fill.

Animats 2y ago
> All these superlatives ("voracious appetite", "devours", "conquering America", "dazzling", "crazy number") Yes, which is why this looks like an ad or planted story.