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Those numbers aren't implausible at all. It equates to about two months of sales during a normal period, and is easily explained by people who were planning to

Those numbers aren't implausible at all. It equates to about two months of sales during a normal period, and is easily explained by people who were planning to buy a Tesla in the next 3-6 months rushing to get their orders in. People are very motivated when there is a $5,000 discount on the line. This just seems like sour grapes from traditional dealerships who subject their customers to multi-hour haggling sessions to close a sale. Is there any indication of malfeasance here other than Tesla selling a lot of cars?

clipsy 2y ago
> It equates to about two months of sales during a normal period It equates to two months of sales for the entirety of Canada happening in one weekend in one province.
- FireBeyond 2y ago
  ... in one city of one province. Yes, for accuracy, a large city, but one that only accounts for less than 4% of Canada's population.
  - pseudo0 2y ago
    Someone had a better suggestion in a comment chain above, which is that it's the responsibility of the dealer to request the rebate on behalf of the customer, and they apparently submit them in batches. So an even more plausible explanation is that it's a combination of people rushing to buy before the rebate expires, and the Tesla dealerships panicking to get all their paperwork for the last month or two submitted before the money ran out. Either way it should be trivial for the government to verify this, and they should be doing regular audits anyways to make sure dealerships aren't scamming customers out of their rebates. Making a huge deal out of this now just seems like political grandstanding though, since there is no evidence of any wrongdoing.
    - clipsy 2y ago
      > Someone had a better suggestion in a comment chain above, which is that it's the responsibility of the dealer to request the rebate on behalf of the customer, and they apparently submit them in batches. So an even more plausible explanation is that it's a combination of people rushing to buy before the rebate expires, and the Tesla dealerships panicking to get all their paperwork for the last month or two submitted before the money ran out. Which still entails dealerships covering 4% of the national population to account for 18% of last year's national sales in a fairly short time frame, and also piles on the deeply unlikely claim that Tesla was paying out these rebates without bothering to file them for months on end.
  - clipsy 2y ago
    Thanks for the correction, I didn't realize the fraud was that ostentatious!
gamblor956 2y ago
People rushed to get there orders in....3 months before the deadline all on the same weekend? Highly implausible. Also the terms of the rebate require finalized sales. The stores in question don't have the physical capacity to have made 8600 sales in 3 days. If they were batching earlier sales they shouldn't have used a later date as the sale date for the rebate. So it's either fraud or sheer incompetence by Tesla Canada.

clipsy 2y ago

> It equates to about two months of sales during a normal period It equates to two months of sales for the entirety of Canada happening in one weekend in one province.

FireBeyond 2y ago
... in one city of one province. Yes, for accuracy, a large city, but one that only accounts for less than 4% of Canada's population.
- pseudo0 2y ago
  Someone had a better suggestion in a comment chain above, which is that it's the responsibility of the dealer to request the rebate on behalf of the customer, and they apparently submit them in batches. So an even more plausible explanation is that it's a combination of people rushing to buy before the rebate expires, and the Tesla dealerships panicking to get all their paperwork for the last month or two submitted before the money ran out. Either way it should be trivial for the government to verify this, and they should be doing regular audits anyways to make sure dealerships aren't scamming customers out of their rebates. Making a huge deal out of this now just seems like political grandstanding though, since there is no evidence of any wrongdoing.
  - clipsy 2y ago
    > Someone had a better suggestion in a comment chain above, which is that it's the responsibility of the dealer to request the rebate on behalf of the customer, and they apparently submit them in batches. So an even more plausible explanation is that it's a combination of people rushing to buy before the rebate expires, and the Tesla dealerships panicking to get all their paperwork for the last month or two submitted before the money ran out. Which still entails dealerships covering 4% of the national population to account for 18% of last year's national sales in a fairly short time frame, and also piles on the deeply unlikely claim that Tesla was paying out these rebates without bothering to file them for months on end.
- clipsy 2y ago
  Thanks for the correction, I didn't realize the fraud was that ostentatious!

gamblor956 2y ago

People rushed to get there orders in....3 months before the deadline all on the same weekend? Highly implausible. Also the terms of the rebate require finalized sales. The stores in question don't have the physical capacity to have made 8600 sales in 3 days. If they were batching earlier sales they shouldn't have used a later date as the sale date for the rebate. So it's either fraud or sheer incompetence by Tesla Canada.