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Apple doesn’t have a track record of abusing user privacy, unlike the plethora of third party apps that want to aggressively track you and sell that data.

epolanski 2y ago
Apple makes more than 10B $ on advertising unless you've been leaving under a rock, and it's virtually all targeted ads. In fact them limiting more and more third party access to data is just a play to boost their own selling of your data.
- shuckles 2y ago
  There is a big difference between targeting and tracking.
  - itishappy 2y ago
    Tracking is just targeting integrated over time. If you can be targeted a number of times, and somebody can connect those data points, that's tracking! So I guess the question hinges on if the data Apple shares with their partners can be fingerprinted or not.
    - shuckles 2y ago
      Apple does not share identifiable personal data with partners for the purpose of advertising, which is why its apps don’t ask for permission to track. Almost everyone arguing against Apple in these comments seems to misunderstand this, likely because of motivated reasoning.
      - itishappy 2y ago
        What are Apple apps asking permissions for? As as I understand, declining to use the ATT framework just means they don't share the system advertising identifier (IDFA). That does not mean the information they do share cannot be fingerprinted.
        shuckles 2y ago
        Losing access to IDFA is the technical mitigation, but the ATT prompt also places policy obligations on developers. Preventing tracking technically entirely is a technical dead end. There are too many sources of entropy. ATT primarily operates at a policy level.
wpm 2y ago
I don't care. We don't have to wait for Apple to show they're untrustworthy before we hold them at arm's length like we hold any other app developer or advertiser. Apple has convinced a lot of people through sheer PR force that they are 100% trustworthy and therefore all of their restrictions and self-bypasses of those restrictions are warranted. Either all of it is OK, or none of it is, unless Apple enjoys getting it wrong and getting fined.
autoexec 2y ago
Apple's track record on privacy isn't really much better than Google's. Google and Facebook also insist that they never sell the massive amounts of personal data they collect on their users. That doesn't mean that your data isn't being exposed to random people or that it isn't being used against you. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jul/26/apple-contractors-regularly-hear-confidential-details-on-siri-recordings https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jul/26/apple-con...
burnte 2y ago
So? In that case they should have no issue at all for adhering to the same rules as others.

epolanski 2y ago

Apple makes more than 10B $ on advertising unless you've been leaving under a rock, and it's virtually all targeted ads. In fact them limiting more and more third party access to data is just a play to boost their own selling of your data.

shuckles 2y ago
There is a big difference between targeting and tracking.
- itishappy 2y ago
  Tracking is just targeting integrated over time. If you can be targeted a number of times, and somebody can connect those data points, that's tracking! So I guess the question hinges on if the data Apple shares with their partners can be fingerprinted or not.
  - shuckles 2y ago
    Apple does not share identifiable personal data with partners for the purpose of advertising, which is why its apps don’t ask for permission to track. Almost everyone arguing against Apple in these comments seems to misunderstand this, likely because of motivated reasoning.
    - itishappy 2y ago
      What are Apple apps asking permissions for? As as I understand, declining to use the ATT framework just means they don't share the system advertising identifier (IDFA). That does not mean the information they do share cannot be fingerprinted.
      - shuckles 2y ago
        Losing access to IDFA is the technical mitigation, but the ATT prompt also places policy obligations on developers. Preventing tracking technically entirely is a technical dead end. There are too many sources of entropy. ATT primarily operates at a policy level.

wpm 2y ago

I don't care. We don't have to wait for Apple to show they're untrustworthy before we hold them at arm's length like we hold any other app developer or advertiser. Apple has convinced a lot of people through sheer PR force that they are 100% trustworthy and therefore all of their restrictions and self-bypasses of those restrictions are warranted. Either all of it is OK, or none of it is, unless Apple enjoys getting it wrong and getting fined.

autoexec 2y ago

Apple's track record on privacy isn't really much better than Google's. Google and Facebook also insist that they never sell the massive amounts of personal data they collect on their users. That doesn't mean that your data isn't being exposed to random people or that it isn't being used against you. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jul/26/apple-contractors-regularly-hear-confidential-details-on-siri-recordings https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jul/26/apple-con...

burnte 2y ago

So? In that case they should have no issue at all for adhering to the same rules as others.