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Seriously? The video is all that matters, not the article... >we don't know wha tthat woman did. All she did was write a piece against israel, and either way,

by mptest 2y ago

Seriously? The video is all that matters, not the article... >we don't know wha tthat woman did. All she did was write a piece against israel, and either way, her due process was violated, which is the problem here. She was not charged with any crimes... How are you seriously hung up on the video source when there's a video of masked, plain clothes federal agents "arresting" a random PhD student with no warrant, and no crimes committed? Frightening barometer reading for this community that this is what you focus on...

pmarreck 2y ago
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- clipsy 2y ago
  > How do you know she wasn't being arrested for one here? Perhaps we could have some sort of public trial where some of her peers -- let's say a dozen -- could hear the facts and decide on whether she's committed a crime.
  - pmarreck 2y ago
    Perfect example of what I was angling at: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/doj-says-mahmoud-khalil-didnt-disclose-involvement-palestinian-groups-rcna197745 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/doj-says-mahmoud-khalil... (Read the 5 paragraphs that begin with "He allegedly did not disclose".) Everyone was up in arms about this guy a few days ago based on "how things looked"; turns out he was willfully hiding multiple affiliations that would have raised red flags against his visa. Which, of course, now raised a giant red flag against it. There is no government on the planet that would have been OK with misrepresenting yourself as a visa applicant (this is also known as "lying"). But because the US did, and because the news is so hyper-polarized, tHe gEsTaPo iS cOmInG yOu gUyS!1!!!!1! /eye-roll Now you might disagree with me on whether these affiliations had merit with regards to invalidating a visa, but lying or withholding information to give your visa a better chance to pass is something that you must surely understand might be a problem. There is so far no reason to assume that the woman arrested didn't make similar mistakes. That's all I'm saying.
    - albedoa 2y ago
      I wonder why you didn't quote the text here lol. Did you think we wouldn't click through and read it ourselves? Listen man, whatever causes you to so willingly believe everything that known grifters and con artists are selling you is the same issue that has you convinced that everyone in your life is part of a vast and deep conspiracy to make you look stupid. You view everyone as being incapable of comprehending, in awe of your problem solving skills and media literacy, and well, you're right for very wrong reasons.
      - pmarreck 2y ago
        Right, right. As if your framing is completely objective. Give me a fucking break. I refer you to this answer I gave the sibling comment because your framing of facts is just as incredibly biased as his was. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43601426 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43601426 > whatever causes you to so willingly believe everything that known grifters and con artists are selling you I literally question everything and base my opinion on facts. I think for example that regardless of basis, the optics on this one are bad. What do you do? Refer to whatever Daily Kos and Occupy Democrats says is the truest depiction of facts? LOL > You view everyone as being incapable of comprehending You literally are saying this in a conversation where I've tried to use evidence-based reasoning, citing what I can, and you literally lead with ad hominem, ridiculous hyperbole and slander. That's fucking rich. You must constantly confuse "looks like the authorities might be right on this one" with "bootlicking". Which is just intellectually lazy. Sorry I pissed facts into your "fascist" Cheerios.
    - mptest 2y ago
      I can't tell if you're deliberately missing the point, or don't know what due process is, but whether or not he had questionable affiliations isn't even the central concern. The suspension of due process is. Any person on our soil is entitled to due process BEFORE getting black bagged and disappeared/deported. Heard of innocent til proven guilty? from your own source >However, the government will have to prove to the immigration judge that Khalil willfully failed to disclose that information, and whether that disclosure would have impacted his eligibility for permanent residency. There is a reason we have a court system, and to sort out these issues BEFORE we take violent action against people here legally is entirely the point. The fascists are using a law from hundreds of years ago that's only been invoked thrice, all while at war, and the last time to wrongfully put the japanese in internment camps, to circumvent due process - that is the forrest you seem to be willingly missing for the trees.
  - pmarreck 2y ago
    See my edited response (that you replied to)
    - clipsy 2y ago
      I saw it before posting, as you note, and it did not change my response. If you think it should, perhaps you should elaborate.
      - pmarreck 2y ago
        Sure. We have a situation where 1) the "West" is constantly at war with Islamists and their discontents in fights almost exclusively begun by them (I believe they are religion-motivated, based on my research, but that's another debate) 2) we have students on visas in the US who are supporting a widely acknowledged foreign terrorist organization, which goes against the letter of the law (which applies more to green-card holders than citizens) 3) people are assuming the worst about things they literally do not know about here 4) I am simply calling this out and getting downvoted as a result
- sorcerer-mar 2y ago
  Uhhh because 1) she hasn't been charged and 2) Marco Rubio has, on multiple occasions, said that it's because "no country in the world would keep a social activist that comes in and tears up our university campuses." https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/rumeysa-ozturk-tufts-ice-detained/3670180/ https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/rumeysa-ozturk-tufts-ic... Another case is Badar Khan Suni who is here on a valid student visa, and DHS said they targeted for “actively spreading Hamas propaganda and promoting antisemitism on social media.” Here's DHS itself: https://x.com/TriciaOhio/status/1902524674291966261 https://x.com/TriciaOhio/status/1902524674291966261
  - pmarreck 2y ago
    > Bahar Khan Suri (spelling corrected; assuming this is him) https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/21/us/bahar-khan-suri-deportation-what-we-know-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/21/us/bahar-khan-suri-deportatio... "While the filing does not mention Saleh’s father by name, The New York Times reported that Ahmed Yousef – a former adviser to Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh – confirmed in a voice message that he was Suri’s father-in-law." It's certainly sus, but I'd agree that if he was actually trying to work for peace, as he claims, and that this was demonstrable, this was pretty unjust at first glance
- mptest 2y ago
  Because the agency that arrested her told us why she was arrested, and it was "supporting terrorism" ie writing an oped opposing israel's genocide, when they certainly have no hesitation to mention the crimes when they are there?? Oh and the agency already has a well documented history of arresting innocent people? Look up "ice collateral arrests" "autism awareness deportation" or "soccer coach deported for real madrid inspired tattoo" or "tourist arrested" or "tourist held at border" to get a litany of examples. I'm sorry I pay closer attention to the erasure of our civil liberties than you do. Of course I'm not judging the situation based solely on the video. I actually read about the case, but when I searched for the video that was just the first link. I (clearly falsely) expected six plainclothes feds tossing a PhD student in to the back of an unmarked van would resonate more with the crowd here... I figured if you cared you'd look more in to it, rather than rush to defend the regime... Silly me, I guess.
  - pmarreck 2y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43539462 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43539462
  - pmarreck 2y ago
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    - mptest 2y ago
      >autism deportation https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/03/trump-el-salvador-venezulea-deportation-prison-cecot-bukele/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/03/trump-el-salvad... https://www.keranews.org/immigration/2025-03-28/dallas-man-may-have-been-deported-to-notorious-el-savadoran-prison-over-autism-awareness-tattoo https://www.keranews.org/immigration/2025-03-28/dallas-man-m... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-tattoos-migrants-el-salvador-b2724820.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic... >ice collateral arrests https://www.reddit.com/r/law/s/GKVwaG1x1i https://www.reddit.com/r/law/s/GKVwaG1x1i (fox news video clip of tom Homan - trumps border czar -admitting it) https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/boston/news/boston-ice-arrests-collaterals-tom-homan/ https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/boston/news/boston-ice-arrests-c... https://newrepublic.com/post/193142/trump-border-czar-tom-homan-ice-arrests https://newrepublic.com/post/193142/trump-border-czar-tom-ho... https://www.wbur.org/news/2025/03/26/massachusetts-ice-collateral-arrests-tom-homan-maura-healey-newsletter https://www.wbur.org/news/2025/03/26/massachusetts-ice-colla... Is straight from the horse's mouth enough for you? I could go on and on and on if you wanna keep getting owned by receipts. >I'm sorry you see...next time You're the one who can't even find sources I found in 30 sec, but I'm the one who needs a critical thinking cap? You're a joke and you would've supported the nazis because "cmon, it's just a few cherry picked millions who got caught up in that!" Perhaps your desire to lick the boot outweighs your critical thinking skills. If you knew anything about how fascist regimes work you'd know this is simply stage one, not some anomalous happenstance.
- outer_web 2y ago
  Can you link us the indictment please?

by mptest 2y ago

pmarreck 2y ago

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clipsy 2y ago
> How do you know she wasn't being arrested for one here? Perhaps we could have some sort of public trial where some of her peers -- let's say a dozen -- could hear the facts and decide on whether she's committed a crime.
- pmarreck 2y ago
  Perfect example of what I was angling at: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/doj-says-mahmoud-khalil-didnt-disclose-involvement-palestinian-groups-rcna197745 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/doj-says-mahmoud-khalil... (Read the 5 paragraphs that begin with "He allegedly did not disclose".) Everyone was up in arms about this guy a few days ago based on "how things looked"; turns out he was willfully hiding multiple affiliations that would have raised red flags against his visa. Which, of course, now raised a giant red flag against it. There is no government on the planet that would have been OK with misrepresenting yourself as a visa applicant (this is also known as "lying"). But because the US did, and because the news is so hyper-polarized, tHe gEsTaPo iS cOmInG yOu gUyS!1!!!!1! /eye-roll Now you might disagree with me on whether these affiliations had merit with regards to invalidating a visa, but lying or withholding information to give your visa a better chance to pass is something that you must surely understand might be a problem. There is so far no reason to assume that the woman arrested didn't make similar mistakes. That's all I'm saying.
  - albedoa 2y ago
    I wonder why you didn't quote the text here lol. Did you think we wouldn't click through and read it ourselves? Listen man, whatever causes you to so willingly believe everything that known grifters and con artists are selling you is the same issue that has you convinced that everyone in your life is part of a vast and deep conspiracy to make you look stupid. You view everyone as being incapable of comprehending, in awe of your problem solving skills and media literacy, and well, you're right for very wrong reasons.
    - pmarreck 2y ago
      Right, right. As if your framing is completely objective. Give me a fucking break. I refer you to this answer I gave the sibling comment because your framing of facts is just as incredibly biased as his was. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43601426 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43601426 > whatever causes you to so willingly believe everything that known grifters and con artists are selling you I literally question everything and base my opinion on facts. I think for example that regardless of basis, the optics on this one are bad. What do you do? Refer to whatever Daily Kos and Occupy Democrats says is the truest depiction of facts? LOL > You view everyone as being incapable of comprehending You literally are saying this in a conversation where I've tried to use evidence-based reasoning, citing what I can, and you literally lead with ad hominem, ridiculous hyperbole and slander. That's fucking rich. You must constantly confuse "looks like the authorities might be right on this one" with "bootlicking". Which is just intellectually lazy. Sorry I pissed facts into your "fascist" Cheerios.
  - mptest 2y ago
    I can't tell if you're deliberately missing the point, or don't know what due process is, but whether or not he had questionable affiliations isn't even the central concern. The suspension of due process is. Any person on our soil is entitled to due process BEFORE getting black bagged and disappeared/deported. Heard of innocent til proven guilty? from your own source >However, the government will have to prove to the immigration judge that Khalil willfully failed to disclose that information, and whether that disclosure would have impacted his eligibility for permanent residency. There is a reason we have a court system, and to sort out these issues BEFORE we take violent action against people here legally is entirely the point. The fascists are using a law from hundreds of years ago that's only been invoked thrice, all while at war, and the last time to wrongfully put the japanese in internment camps, to circumvent due process - that is the forrest you seem to be willingly missing for the trees.
- pmarreck 2y ago
  See my edited response (that you replied to)
  - clipsy 2y ago
    I saw it before posting, as you note, and it did not change my response. If you think it should, perhaps you should elaborate.
    - pmarreck 2y ago
      Sure. We have a situation where 1) the "West" is constantly at war with Islamists and their discontents in fights almost exclusively begun by them (I believe they are religion-motivated, based on my research, but that's another debate) 2) we have students on visas in the US who are supporting a widely acknowledged foreign terrorist organization, which goes against the letter of the law (which applies more to green-card holders than citizens) 3) people are assuming the worst about things they literally do not know about here 4) I am simply calling this out and getting downvoted as a result
sorcerer-mar 2y ago
Uhhh because 1) she hasn't been charged and 2) Marco Rubio has, on multiple occasions, said that it's because "no country in the world would keep a social activist that comes in and tears up our university campuses." https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/rumeysa-ozturk-tufts-ice-detained/3670180/ https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/rumeysa-ozturk-tufts-ic... Another case is Badar Khan Suni who is here on a valid student visa, and DHS said they targeted for “actively spreading Hamas propaganda and promoting antisemitism on social media.” Here's DHS itself: https://x.com/TriciaOhio/status/1902524674291966261 https://x.com/TriciaOhio/status/1902524674291966261
- pmarreck 2y ago
  > Bahar Khan Suri (spelling corrected; assuming this is him) https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/21/us/bahar-khan-suri-deportation-what-we-know-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/21/us/bahar-khan-suri-deportatio... "While the filing does not mention Saleh’s father by name, The New York Times reported that Ahmed Yousef – a former adviser to Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh – confirmed in a voice message that he was Suri’s father-in-law." It's certainly sus, but I'd agree that if he was actually trying to work for peace, as he claims, and that this was demonstrable, this was pretty unjust at first glance
mptest 2y ago
Because the agency that arrested her told us why she was arrested, and it was "supporting terrorism" ie writing an oped opposing israel's genocide, when they certainly have no hesitation to mention the crimes when they are there?? Oh and the agency already has a well documented history of arresting innocent people? Look up "ice collateral arrests" "autism awareness deportation" or "soccer coach deported for real madrid inspired tattoo" or "tourist arrested" or "tourist held at border" to get a litany of examples. I'm sorry I pay closer attention to the erasure of our civil liberties than you do. Of course I'm not judging the situation based solely on the video. I actually read about the case, but when I searched for the video that was just the first link. I (clearly falsely) expected six plainclothes feds tossing a PhD student in to the back of an unmarked van would resonate more with the crowd here... I figured if you cared you'd look more in to it, rather than rush to defend the regime... Silly me, I guess.
- pmarreck 2y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43539462 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43539462
- pmarreck 2y ago
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  - mptest 2y ago
    >autism deportation https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/03/trump-el-salvador-venezulea-deportation-prison-cecot-bukele/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/03/trump-el-salvad... https://www.keranews.org/immigration/2025-03-28/dallas-man-may-have-been-deported-to-notorious-el-savadoran-prison-over-autism-awareness-tattoo https://www.keranews.org/immigration/2025-03-28/dallas-man-m... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-tattoos-migrants-el-salvador-b2724820.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic... >ice collateral arrests https://www.reddit.com/r/law/s/GKVwaG1x1i https://www.reddit.com/r/law/s/GKVwaG1x1i (fox news video clip of tom Homan - trumps border czar -admitting it) https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/boston/news/boston-ice-arrests-collaterals-tom-homan/ https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/boston/news/boston-ice-arrests-c... https://newrepublic.com/post/193142/trump-border-czar-tom-homan-ice-arrests https://newrepublic.com/post/193142/trump-border-czar-tom-ho... https://www.wbur.org/news/2025/03/26/massachusetts-ice-collateral-arrests-tom-homan-maura-healey-newsletter https://www.wbur.org/news/2025/03/26/massachusetts-ice-colla... Is straight from the horse's mouth enough for you? I could go on and on and on if you wanna keep getting owned by receipts. >I'm sorry you see...next time You're the one who can't even find sources I found in 30 sec, but I'm the one who needs a critical thinking cap? You're a joke and you would've supported the nazis because "cmon, it's just a few cherry picked millions who got caught up in that!" Perhaps your desire to lick the boot outweighs your critical thinking skills. If you knew anything about how fascist regimes work you'd know this is simply stage one, not some anomalous happenstance.
outer_web 2y ago
Can you link us the indictment please?