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https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/03/donald-trump-news-ice-immigration-student-rumeysa-ozturk.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/03/donald-tru

by mptest 2y ago

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/03/donald-trump-news-ice-immigration-student-rumeysa-ozturk.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/03/donald-trump-new... Everyone should at least watch this video. Taken in America. "Land of the free." That this is only one of many such videos is terrifying if you know the history of fascist regimes. I hope everyone here is familiar with the "first they came for the communists..." poem.

andreygrehov 2y ago
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- sorcerer-mar 2y ago
  Based on the content of the op-eds they wrote? That's awful Or are you just referring to the more normal (yet still awful) concept of a draft?
  - andreygrehov 2y ago
    I don't think this is normal: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Y0iiww5KFTg https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Y0iiww5KFTg
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - nozzlegear 2y ago
      The US is not at war, isn't being invaded by an aggressive neighboring country, and doesn't have an active draft. That is the key difference that you're obtusely refusing to acknowledge here.
      - andreygrehov 2y ago
        I never said the US is at war with anybody. I said: "that reminds me of what's happening in my hometown in Ukraine". > isn't being invaded According to the White House, there is an invasion: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/protecting-the-american-people-against-invasion/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/prot...
        dbmikus 2y ago
        This is BS that Trump is making up so he can say the USA is at war and deport people without due process. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-judge-extends-block-trump-use-wartime-law-deportations-2025-03-28/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-judge-extends-block-trum...
        andreygrehov 2y ago
        You can disagree with Trump as much as you want. There is an executive order signed by the President. None of those Reuters and the like explanations matter. Given the executive order is in place, it doesn’t matter who signed it. Since it’s coming from the White House, it’s perfectly valid to reference it.
        citizenkeen 2y ago
        Executive Orders are not law.
        andreygrehov 2y ago
        Yet they can be referenced as the official position of the government.
        sorcerer-mar 2y ago
        The official position of one branch of our tripartite government.
        2y ago
    - aredox 2y ago
      I don't think it is normal to fight to go to nightclubs while others fight and die for everyone's freedom.
      - andreygrehov 2y ago
        Well, if the night clubs are working, then what kind of a war is that? Obviously the video is just one of many others, eg it’s not limited to night clubs.
        aredox 2y ago
        They are open for soldiers on official leave? But keep comparing being arrested by official police for draft dodging in the middle of a war for existence to sending secret hooded officers to arrest a brown-skinned scarf-wearing woman for supposedly antisemitism while your pal Boer Elon is doing Nazi salutes in public.
        andreygrehov 2y ago
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smallmancontrov 2y ago
It has started. The Posobiec book (foreword by Steve Bannon) makes the case that anyone to the left of Mussolini is a "secret communist revolutionary" and rationalizes doing anything to "crush" us. https://www.kobo.com/us/en/ebook/unhumans https://www.kobo.com/us/en/ebook/unhumans This is a popular book. I found my own mother reading it. I took the title at face value at first and found the skull disturbing but not threatening what with not being a communist or anything close to it. But then I started reading and I realized that it's not a matter of if they pull the trigger but when, and when they pull the trigger that they would be completely comfortable calling my mild liberal beliefs communist, and that my mother would probably believe them as they stripped me of citizenship and sent me to a labor camp in El Salvador.
- pmarreck 2y ago
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  - smallmancontrov 2y ago
    The "nothing ever changes" heuristic fails catastrophically on occasion. It's better to be prepared.
    - pmarreck 2y ago
      Yes. I'm well-aware of the analogy of the slowly boiled frog, etc. But it's also the slippery-slope fallacy, so... Why are we assuming facts here before we know of them? She is a Turkish national on a student visa. Those folks do NOT (like it or not) have the same rights as citizens. You cannot, for example, support (not saying she's done this, just saying this is the law) an organization designated as an FTO, as a "green card" holder; you CAN (sigh) as a citizen. /shrug sees downvotes ... Um, excuse me? Am I not allowed to have a valid dissenting opinion here, now? Why the downvotes, folks? Give me a valid reason please
      - smallmancontrov 2y ago
        Because it's not a slow boil, not anymore. The executive is flaunting TROs, conducting deportations without due process, openly flirting with the idea of stripping citizenship and talking about a third term. Anyone who should have payed attention to Project 2025 but "remained calm" instead should now pay attention to the McCarthy II plan from the same source. They are telling us who they are and we should listen to them.
pmarreck 2y ago
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- mptest 2y ago
  Seriously? The video is all that matters, not the article... >we don't know wha tthat woman did. All she did was write a piece against israel, and either way, her due process was violated, which is the problem here. She was not charged with any crimes... How are you seriously hung up on the video source when there's a video of masked, plain clothes federal agents "arresting" a random PhD student with no warrant, and no crimes committed? Frightening barometer reading for this community that this is what you focus on...
  - pmarreck 2y ago
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    - clipsy 2y ago
      > How do you know she wasn't being arrested for one here? Perhaps we could have some sort of public trial where some of her peers -- let's say a dozen -- could hear the facts and decide on whether she's committed a crime.
      - pmarreck 2y ago
        Perfect example of what I was angling at: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/doj-says-mahmoud-khalil-didnt-disclose-involvement-palestinian-groups-rcna197745 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/doj-says-mahmoud-khalil... (Read the 5 paragraphs that begin with "He allegedly did not disclose".) Everyone was up in arms about this guy a few days ago based on "how things looked"; turns out he was willfully hiding multiple affiliations that would have raised red flags against his visa. Which, of course, now raised a giant red flag against it. There is no government on the planet that would have been OK with misrepresenting yourself as a visa applicant (this is also known as "lying"). But because the US did, and because the news is so hyper-polarized, tHe gEsTaPo iS cOmInG yOu gUyS!1!!!!1! /eye-roll Now you might disagree with me on whether these affiliations had merit with regards to invalidating a visa, but lying or withholding information to give your visa a better chance to pass is something that you must surely understand might be a problem. There is so far no reason to assume that the woman arrested didn't make similar mistakes. That's all I'm saying.
DamnInteresting 2y ago
Direct link to video for those who hit the Slate paywall: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuFIs7OkzYY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuFIs7OkzYY

by mptest 2y ago

andreygrehov 2y ago

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sorcerer-mar 2y ago
Based on the content of the op-eds they wrote? That's awful Or are you just referring to the more normal (yet still awful) concept of a draft?
- andreygrehov 2y ago
  I don't think this is normal: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Y0iiww5KFTg https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Y0iiww5KFTg
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - nozzlegear 2y ago
    The US is not at war, isn't being invaded by an aggressive neighboring country, and doesn't have an active draft. That is the key difference that you're obtusely refusing to acknowledge here.
    - andreygrehov 2y ago
      I never said the US is at war with anybody. I said: "that reminds me of what's happening in my hometown in Ukraine". > isn't being invaded According to the White House, there is an invasion: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/protecting-the-american-people-against-invasion/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/prot...
      - dbmikus 2y ago
        This is BS that Trump is making up so he can say the USA is at war and deport people without due process. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-judge-extends-block-trump-use-wartime-law-deportations-2025-03-28/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-judge-extends-block-trum...
        andreygrehov 2y ago
        You can disagree with Trump as much as you want. There is an executive order signed by the President. None of those Reuters and the like explanations matter. Given the executive order is in place, it doesn’t matter who signed it. Since it’s coming from the White House, it’s perfectly valid to reference it.
        citizenkeen 2y ago
        Executive Orders are not law.
        andreygrehov 2y ago
        Yet they can be referenced as the official position of the government.
        sorcerer-mar 2y ago
        The official position of one branch of our tripartite government.
        2y ago
  - aredox 2y ago
    I don't think it is normal to fight to go to nightclubs while others fight and die for everyone's freedom.
    - andreygrehov 2y ago
      Well, if the night clubs are working, then what kind of a war is that? Obviously the video is just one of many others, eg it’s not limited to night clubs.
      - aredox 2y ago
        They are open for soldiers on official leave? But keep comparing being arrested by official police for draft dodging in the middle of a war for existence to sending secret hooded officers to arrest a brown-skinned scarf-wearing woman for supposedly antisemitism while your pal Boer Elon is doing Nazi salutes in public.
        andreygrehov 2y ago
        [flagged]

smallmancontrov 2y ago

It has started. The Posobiec book (foreword by Steve Bannon) makes the case that anyone to the left of Mussolini is a "secret communist revolutionary" and rationalizes doing anything to "crush" us. https://www.kobo.com/us/en/ebook/unhumans https://www.kobo.com/us/en/ebook/unhumans This is a popular book. I found my own mother reading it. I took the title at face value at first and found the skull disturbing but not threatening what with not being a communist or anything close to it. But then I started reading and I realized that it's not a matter of if they pull the trigger but when, and when they pull the trigger that they would be completely comfortable calling my mild liberal beliefs communist, and that my mother would probably believe them as they stripped me of citizenship and sent me to a labor camp in El Salvador.

pmarreck 2y ago
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- smallmancontrov 2y ago
  The "nothing ever changes" heuristic fails catastrophically on occasion. It's better to be prepared.
  - pmarreck 2y ago
    Yes. I'm well-aware of the analogy of the slowly boiled frog, etc. But it's also the slippery-slope fallacy, so... Why are we assuming facts here before we know of them? She is a Turkish national on a student visa. Those folks do NOT (like it or not) have the same rights as citizens. You cannot, for example, support (not saying she's done this, just saying this is the law) an organization designated as an FTO, as a "green card" holder; you CAN (sigh) as a citizen. /shrug sees downvotes ... Um, excuse me? Am I not allowed to have a valid dissenting opinion here, now? Why the downvotes, folks? Give me a valid reason please
    - smallmancontrov 2y ago
      Because it's not a slow boil, not anymore. The executive is flaunting TROs, conducting deportations without due process, openly flirting with the idea of stripping citizenship and talking about a third term. Anyone who should have payed attention to Project 2025 but "remained calm" instead should now pay attention to the McCarthy II plan from the same source. They are telling us who they are and we should listen to them.

pmarreck 2y ago

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mptest 2y ago
Seriously? The video is all that matters, not the article... >we don't know wha tthat woman did. All she did was write a piece against israel, and either way, her due process was violated, which is the problem here. She was not charged with any crimes... How are you seriously hung up on the video source when there's a video of masked, plain clothes federal agents "arresting" a random PhD student with no warrant, and no crimes committed? Frightening barometer reading for this community that this is what you focus on...
- pmarreck 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - clipsy 2y ago
    > How do you know she wasn't being arrested for one here? Perhaps we could have some sort of public trial where some of her peers -- let's say a dozen -- could hear the facts and decide on whether she's committed a crime.
    - pmarreck 2y ago
      Perfect example of what I was angling at: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/doj-says-mahmoud-khalil-didnt-disclose-involvement-palestinian-groups-rcna197745 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/doj-says-mahmoud-khalil... (Read the 5 paragraphs that begin with "He allegedly did not disclose".) Everyone was up in arms about this guy a few days ago based on "how things looked"; turns out he was willfully hiding multiple affiliations that would have raised red flags against his visa. Which, of course, now raised a giant red flag against it. There is no government on the planet that would have been OK with misrepresenting yourself as a visa applicant (this is also known as "lying"). But because the US did, and because the news is so hyper-polarized, tHe gEsTaPo iS cOmInG yOu gUyS!1!!!!1! /eye-roll Now you might disagree with me on whether these affiliations had merit with regards to invalidating a visa, but lying or withholding information to give your visa a better chance to pass is something that you must surely understand might be a problem. There is so far no reason to assume that the woman arrested didn't make similar mistakes. That's all I'm saying.

DamnInteresting 2y ago

Direct link to video for those who hit the Slate paywall: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuFIs7OkzYY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuFIs7OkzYY