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What do you mean? There's literally tons of evidence. Do you think fluoride doesn't actually reduce cavities?

by crazygringo 2y ago

newZWhoDis 2y ago
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- jiggawatts 2y ago
  That's just not true. Most of the studies simply compared areas with different amounts of natural fluoride in their local water supply, and applied some basic statistics comparing dental health. There have also been some A/B studies possible in areas that stopped or started using fluoride in their water. Multiple such studies have been done, globally, over many decades.
  - Brybry 2y ago
    I think it depends on how strict your criteria and evidence requirements are. There are two Cochrane reviews that I saw on community water fluoridation: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26092033/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26092033/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39362658/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39362658/ There is limited modern evidence (ie. in a world where everyone is brushing their teeth with fluoride toothpaste) of some reduction in tooth decay in children. There were no studies on adults that met the review criteria. Overall it seems like we just don't really know how much impact CWF currently has.
- shlant 2y ago
  you're just lying https://www.cdc.gov/oral-health/data-research/facts-stats/fast-facts-community-water-fluoridation.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://www.cdc.gov/oral-health/data-research/facts-stats/fa...
amazingamazing 2y ago
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- plaqueattack 2y ago
  You can’t be serious right now. Your teeth aren’t in your digestive tract.
  - dcassett 2y ago
    > Your teeth aren’t in your digestive tract. However: Once ingested, the fluoride has a systemic affect on teeth before they erupt, incorporating into the matrix of developing teeth to increase the mineralization content and decrease the solubility of enamel. [1] [1] https://www.uspharmacist.com/article/current-fluoride-recommendations-for-the-pediatric-patient https://www.uspharmacist.com/article/current-fluoride-recomm...
- deleted 2y ago
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- dcrazy 2y ago
  Fluoridated toothpaste says not to swallow because it contains much higher concentrations of fluoride than drinking water. If you ingest too much toothpaste, it can cause your teeth to get blotchy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental_fluorosis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental_fluorosis
  - amazingamazing 2y ago
    Yup, but even for fluoride gels it says explicitly not to swallow. One because fluoride is toxic when concentrated, two because it needs to be on your teeth, not inside your belly.
- freehorse 2y ago
  It increases fluoride content in the saliva
  - amazingamazing 2y ago
    Yup, and is ineffective compared to topical application. Unnecessary to drink it.
Jimmc414 2y ago
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- mmsc 2y ago
  If your water was sourced """naturally""" from a spring with a high fluoride levels, I wonder if you'd call that an additive.
Spooky23 2y ago
You can’t win. Freedom, IQ, precious bodily fluids. There’s no end to the nonsense. My city started fluoridating a few years ago. The crazy was off the chart, they’re still active. NYC has fluoridated for 60 years, you’d think someone would have figured out that the entire city is dumber.
- like_any_other 2y ago
  Bodily autonomy is "nonsense"?
  - scheeseman486 2y ago
    How do you feel about the fossil fuel industry, because they're responsible for far more carcinogens entering your body than Big Flouride.
    - grues-dinner 2y ago
      Not just regular toxic chemicals, either, through the is plenty of that. Quite a bit of radiation too. And companies that adulterate, misrepresent and obfuscate what they put in food as well. No-one is putting corn syrup or brominated vegetable oil in food with any intention other than money money money. In fact, if I were an evil subgenius and really actively wanted to damage the IQs of the nation for some nefarious purpose, and it has to be substance-based, I'd avoid things with annoying oversight like public drinking water and vaccines and focus on food and pollution as a vector. If challenged, I just say "why do you hate my freedom to make a profit and provide jobs". Sure, the FDA and EPA exist, but even then you can get away with far, far more in those areas. Food wise, HFCS, BVO, etc, pollution wise, almost everything to with plastics or polymers, oil, coal, gas the list goes on and on.
  - TheBicPen 2y ago
    Do you think bodily autonomy is absolute? Your comments seem to imply that bodily autonomy is the only relevant thing to consider when discussing patient care. The world doesn't work that way. Believe it or not, a doctor won't amputate a limb when you show up with a runny nose even if you insist that that's the procedure you want. Search up the 4 principles of biomedical ethics if you want to learn more about the factors that influence doctors' ethical decisions. Or do you mean that your opinion should trump that of any doctor or expert in any field when the issue pertains to your person? If that's the case, I wonder why you choose to participate in society at all, given that you're uncomfortable with the idea that other people might know more than you.
oaktrout 2y ago
Fluorinated water minimally reduces cavities: https://www.cochrane.org/news/water-fluoridation-less-effective-now-past https://www.cochrane.org/news/water-fluoridation-less-effect... It was probably much more effective 50 years ago when fluoride was not in everyone's toothpaste.

What do you mean? There's literally tons of evidence. Do you think fluoride doesn't actually reduce cavities?

newZWhoDis 2y ago

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jiggawatts 2y ago
That's just not true. Most of the studies simply compared areas with different amounts of natural fluoride in their local water supply, and applied some basic statistics comparing dental health. There have also been some A/B studies possible in areas that stopped or started using fluoride in their water. Multiple such studies have been done, globally, over many decades.
- Brybry 2y ago
  I think it depends on how strict your criteria and evidence requirements are. There are two Cochrane reviews that I saw on community water fluoridation: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26092033/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26092033/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39362658/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39362658/ There is limited modern evidence (ie. in a world where everyone is brushing their teeth with fluoride toothpaste) of some reduction in tooth decay in children. There were no studies on adults that met the review criteria. Overall it seems like we just don't really know how much impact CWF currently has.
shlant 2y ago
you're just lying https://www.cdc.gov/oral-health/data-research/facts-stats/fast-facts-community-water-fluoridation.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://www.cdc.gov/oral-health/data-research/facts-stats/fa...

amazingamazing 2y ago

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plaqueattack 2y ago
You can’t be serious right now. Your teeth aren’t in your digestive tract.
- dcassett 2y ago
  > Your teeth aren’t in your digestive tract. However: Once ingested, the fluoride has a systemic affect on teeth before they erupt, incorporating into the matrix of developing teeth to increase the mineralization content and decrease the solubility of enamel. [1] [1] https://www.uspharmacist.com/article/current-fluoride-recommendations-for-the-pediatric-patient https://www.uspharmacist.com/article/current-fluoride-recomm...
deleted 2y ago
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dcrazy 2y ago
Fluoridated toothpaste says not to swallow because it contains much higher concentrations of fluoride than drinking water. If you ingest too much toothpaste, it can cause your teeth to get blotchy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental_fluorosis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental_fluorosis
- amazingamazing 2y ago
  Yup, but even for fluoride gels it says explicitly not to swallow. One because fluoride is toxic when concentrated, two because it needs to be on your teeth, not inside your belly.
freehorse 2y ago
It increases fluoride content in the saliva
- amazingamazing 2y ago
  Yup, and is ineffective compared to topical application. Unnecessary to drink it.

Jimmc414 2y ago

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mmsc 2y ago
If your water was sourced """naturally""" from a spring with a high fluoride levels, I wonder if you'd call that an additive.

Spooky23 2y ago

You can’t win. Freedom, IQ, precious bodily fluids. There’s no end to the nonsense. My city started fluoridating a few years ago. The crazy was off the chart, they’re still active. NYC has fluoridated for 60 years, you’d think someone would have figured out that the entire city is dumber.

like_any_other 2y ago
Bodily autonomy is "nonsense"?
- scheeseman486 2y ago
  How do you feel about the fossil fuel industry, because they're responsible for far more carcinogens entering your body than Big Flouride.
  - grues-dinner 2y ago
    Not just regular toxic chemicals, either, through the is plenty of that. Quite a bit of radiation too. And companies that adulterate, misrepresent and obfuscate what they put in food as well. No-one is putting corn syrup or brominated vegetable oil in food with any intention other than money money money. In fact, if I were an evil subgenius and really actively wanted to damage the IQs of the nation for some nefarious purpose, and it has to be substance-based, I'd avoid things with annoying oversight like public drinking water and vaccines and focus on food and pollution as a vector. If challenged, I just say "why do you hate my freedom to make a profit and provide jobs". Sure, the FDA and EPA exist, but even then you can get away with far, far more in those areas. Food wise, HFCS, BVO, etc, pollution wise, almost everything to with plastics or polymers, oil, coal, gas the list goes on and on.
- TheBicPen 2y ago
  Do you think bodily autonomy is absolute? Your comments seem to imply that bodily autonomy is the only relevant thing to consider when discussing patient care. The world doesn't work that way. Believe it or not, a doctor won't amputate a limb when you show up with a runny nose even if you insist that that's the procedure you want. Search up the 4 principles of biomedical ethics if you want to learn more about the factors that influence doctors' ethical decisions. Or do you mean that your opinion should trump that of any doctor or expert in any field when the issue pertains to your person? If that's the case, I wonder why you choose to participate in society at all, given that you're uncomfortable with the idea that other people might know more than you.

oaktrout 2y ago

Fluorinated water minimally reduces cavities: https://www.cochrane.org/news/water-fluoridation-less-effective-now-past https://www.cochrane.org/news/water-fluoridation-less-effect... It was probably much more effective 50 years ago when fluoride was not in everyone's toothpaste.