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They are not terrorists. They are public supporters. When you are welcomed at someone's house, you don't start going around by lecturing them on how to run the

They are not terrorists. They are public supporters. When you are welcomed at someone's house, you don't start going around by lecturing them on how to run their house. They are free to support Hamas, just not in the US as students.

sorcerer-mar 2y ago
> They are free to support Hamas, just not in the US as students. They absolutely are free to support Hamas (with words and assembly, not with financing). The 1st Amendment has no exemption for "except if it's pro-bad-guy" nor for "except if you're a student" nor for "except if you're not a US citizen." > When you are welcomed at someone's house, you don't start going around by lecturing them on how to run their house. We're not talking about a guest in a house. We're talking about a person in the US's jurisdiction. Our Constitution explicitly protects their right to do this. The 1st Amendment's Free Speech protection is not limited to citizens, nor is the 5th Amendment's Due Process protection. The 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause makes that totally unambiguous: if you are within US jurisdiction, you have Constitutional rights.
cogman10 2y ago
So you don't believe in the first amendment? But ok, then let's say they said or wrote wrong words. How do we know that actually happened? Trust ICE? How do we know they were on Visas? How do we know ICE didn't abduct the wrong people? You haven't gotten around the problem of no due process.
matwood 2y ago
> When you are welcomed at someone's house, you don't start going around by lecturing them on how to run their house. Cool, so are all the people criticizing Trump and his group of idiots not allowed to do so?
- lucasRW 2y ago
  They can try, but they shouldn't be surprised if the people welcoming them then change their mind and become upset. Sounds like basic stuff to me. Again, you are free to speak your mind. Just, that, if I invited you to dinner at my home and you start criticizing everything I'll gently ask you to leave and go have dinner elsewhere.
  - matwood 2y ago
    Just so I’m clear. You think people, including citizens, should be thrown out of the country if they criticize Trump?
    - lucasRW 2y ago
      Obviously, no.
johnnyanmac 2y ago
>They are free to support Hamas, just not in the US Doesn't sound very free. Nor legal.

sorcerer-mar 2y ago

> They are free to support Hamas, just not in the US as students. They absolutely are free to support Hamas (with words and assembly, not with financing). The 1st Amendment has no exemption for "except if it's pro-bad-guy" nor for "except if you're a student" nor for "except if you're not a US citizen." > When you are welcomed at someone's house, you don't start going around by lecturing them on how to run their house. We're not talking about a guest in a house. We're talking about a person in the US's jurisdiction. Our Constitution explicitly protects their right to do this. The 1st Amendment's Free Speech protection is not limited to citizens, nor is the 5th Amendment's Due Process protection. The 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause makes that totally unambiguous: if you are within US jurisdiction, you have Constitutional rights.

cogman10 2y ago

So you don't believe in the first amendment? But ok, then let's say they said or wrote wrong words. How do we know that actually happened? Trust ICE? How do we know they were on Visas? How do we know ICE didn't abduct the wrong people? You haven't gotten around the problem of no due process.

matwood 2y ago

> When you are welcomed at someone's house, you don't start going around by lecturing them on how to run their house. Cool, so are all the people criticizing Trump and his group of idiots not allowed to do so?

lucasRW 2y ago
They can try, but they shouldn't be surprised if the people welcoming them then change their mind and become upset. Sounds like basic stuff to me. Again, you are free to speak your mind. Just, that, if I invited you to dinner at my home and you start criticizing everything I'll gently ask you to leave and go have dinner elsewhere.
- matwood 2y ago
  Just so I’m clear. You think people, including citizens, should be thrown out of the country if they criticize Trump?
  - lucasRW 2y ago
    Obviously, no.

johnnyanmac 2y ago

>They are free to support Hamas, just not in the US Doesn't sound very free. Nor legal.