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How's Solar City doing now? Not sure the court was capable of that judgement.

bamboozled 2y ago
Scandalous ?
cedws 2y ago
And what happened to Tesla solar roofs? Haven’t heard about those since like 2020. Who actually has one? And Tesla trucks? And full self-driving? And robotaxis? And the private venture around the moon? It’s like everyone just forgets Musk’s announcements that never get delivered on.
- thordenmark 2y ago
  Aren't Cyber trucks by Tesla? And FSD is basically here which means robotaxis are basically here. Now there are just regulatory hurdles and the long tail.
  - watwut 2y ago
    "Basically here" and "actually here" tend to be decades apart ... especially in Musks case. Tho, I think another company can be actually capable to make them actually working.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    He made much the same claim 6 years ago: https://www.inverse.com/science/55141-elon-musk-autonomous-driving https://www.inverse.com/science/55141-elon-musk-autonomous-d... """“I feel very confident predicting autonomous robo taxis for Tesla by next year. Not in all jurisdictions, because we won’t have regulatory approval everywhere. But we will have regulatory approval at least at some point next year,” Musk said toward the end of the presentation. “From our standpoint, if you fast forward a year, maybe a year in three months, but next year for sure, we will have over a million robo taxis on the road.”""" - Musk, April 2019
  - dns_snek 2y ago
    In what sense of the word "basically" are the FSD and robotaxis "basically" here? Tesla FSD is a level 2 autonomic system that requires constant supervision, robotaxis would require level 4/5 autonomy. That's not even close to becoming reality.
    - haliskerbas 2y ago
      FSD ran a red light last week. But later today I’ll be heading out in a Waymo robotaxi which will actually be here.
  - panick21_ 2y ago
    Quite a claim. FSD in practice is nowhere close to actually being able to do robotaxi operations. So its not really a regulatory burden, other then regulatory actually checking if it works.
  - jcranmer 2y ago
    > Aren't Cyber trucks by Tesla? GP is referring to Tesla's promise to build electric semi trucks, not the pickup truck that Cybertruck is. > And FSD is basically here which means robotaxis are basically here. Now there are just regulatory hurdles and the long tail. AIUI, Tesla FSD is at best Level 3 automation (probably more like Level 2), which means it requires constant driver supervision to keep the car from committing suicide. That's pretty far from being "basically here", especially since Tesla seems extremely loth to accept any responsibility for FSD-related crashes.
    - FreebasingLLMs 2y ago
      [dead]
    - kube-system 2y ago
      FSD is level 2, because the human driver is required to pay attention and intervene at all times. https://www.sae.org/binaries/content/gallery/cm/content/news/sae-blog/j3016graphic_2021.png https://www.sae.org/binaries/content/gallery/cm/content/news...
- panick21_ 2y ago
  What are you talking about? How about you spend like 2min doing research? Tesla solar roofs exist and are being deployed. Its just not the extreme growth market that Musk hopped for. And the trucks exist too. The private moon mission is off because the costumer pulled out. But Starship is still in development and is contract with NASA for a moon mission. Of course Robotaxi isn't close to existing.
  - gonzo 2y ago
    > Of course Robotaxi isn't close to existing. Musk announced in January that it was to launch in June, in Austin.
- testing22321 2y ago
  Solar roof installs are continuing to grow. Slower than they hoped, but growing. The semi factory will be finished late this year. FSD gets better each month. Obviously there is massive debate if it will be “done” in 1, 2, 5, 10 or never years Robotaxis were announced recently, the plan as announced is for them to be sold in 2026. That has not changed. Looks like they’ll have some kind of driverless taxi service running this year with remote operators like Waymo. Private moon mission was canned. I think it’s pretty strange to say Musks promises never get delivered on when Tesla sells the most popular car on the planet two years running, spacex launches more to orbit than the rest of the world combined and a ton of other stuff. Obviously he’s utterly nuts, and doesn’t deliver everything he talks about, and is very late on many things. But you have to be blind to say he never delivers anything.
  - jandrese 2y ago
    My understanding is that the solar roofs are basically dead. They're more of a vanity project than a real product. The total production of the tiles is enough to cover like 10-20 houses a week and the full system price is around 5 times what a regular solar install costs, even when you factor in replacing the entire roof before doing the solar install.
  - WalterBright 2y ago
    > Obviously he’s utterly nuts He takes risks very few others are willing to do, but he is not nuts by any reasonable definition.
    - LightBug1 2y ago
      You're right. Not nuts. Utterly nuts. By any reasonable definition.
      - WalterBright 2y ago
        Explain.
        2y ago
- WalterBright 2y ago
  > Musk’s announcements that never get delivered on And then there's the ones he did deliver on, like spectacular re-usable rockets, Starlink, Neuralink, etc.
- ralfd 2y ago
  > And what happened to Tesla solar roofs? Who actually has one? Marques Brownlee: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJeSWbR6W04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJeSWbR6W04 They are expensive though, but nice looking. > And Tesla trucks? https://www.dhl.com/global-en/delivered/responsibility/dhl-tests-tesla-semi-electric-truck.html https://www.dhl.com/global-en/delivered/responsibility/dhl-t... Tesla is currently building a dedicated factory in Nevada for the Semi Truck. Production is starting end of this year and ramping up in 2027. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2wjjWKj8Wo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2wjjWKj8Wo
DannyBee 2y ago
Exactly why do you believe a court that does exactly this kind of judgement all the time is not capable of it? They issued a 127 page supporting decision on why they found it was a fair process that generated a fair price. Want to say which part you take issue with that shows it was not capable of the judgement? FWIW - I actually hate tesla, i just also hate the sort of drive by shitting on other fields that HN seems to do sometimes. If there are concrete reasons to believe they aren't capable, let's have that discussion. Otherwise, there's no need to denigrate others capabilities without evidence based on our feelings :)
- toolz 2y ago
  you hate the company or the product? How does someone hate a company the open sourced all of their patents which resulted in creating a ton of competition in a previously dominated market?
  - shkkmo 2y ago
    I'm a fan of Tesla's patent strategy. However, calling it "open source" isn't strictly correct. Patents are only free to use as long as you also give Tesla rights to all your patents.
    - dbdoskey 2y ago
      That seems completely sane and fair
      - bumby 2y ago
        I agree it’s fair, but I don’t think it’s “open-source”. Open source means “free”; requiring me to give you something in return is transactional.
        toolz 2y ago
        copy-left is referred to as open source and some even claim it's _more_ open source, but thanks for the information, I wasn't aware of the that detail. edit: oh it's not copyleft, but specifically quid pro quo so tesla gives you their patents if you give them yours

Scandalous ?

And what happened to Tesla solar roofs? Haven’t heard about those since like 2020. Who actually has one? And Tesla trucks? And full self-driving? And robotaxis? And the private venture around the moon? It’s like everyone just forgets Musk’s announcements that never get delivered on.

thordenmark 2y ago
Aren't Cyber trucks by Tesla? And FSD is basically here which means robotaxis are basically here. Now there are just regulatory hurdles and the long tail.
- watwut 2y ago
  "Basically here" and "actually here" tend to be decades apart ... especially in Musks case. Tho, I think another company can be actually capable to make them actually working.
- ben_w 2y ago
  He made much the same claim 6 years ago: https://www.inverse.com/science/55141-elon-musk-autonomous-driving https://www.inverse.com/science/55141-elon-musk-autonomous-d... """“I feel very confident predicting autonomous robo taxis for Tesla by next year. Not in all jurisdictions, because we won’t have regulatory approval everywhere. But we will have regulatory approval at least at some point next year,” Musk said toward the end of the presentation. “From our standpoint, if you fast forward a year, maybe a year in three months, but next year for sure, we will have over a million robo taxis on the road.”""" - Musk, April 2019
- dns_snek 2y ago
  In what sense of the word "basically" are the FSD and robotaxis "basically" here? Tesla FSD is a level 2 autonomic system that requires constant supervision, robotaxis would require level 4/5 autonomy. That's not even close to becoming reality.
  - haliskerbas 2y ago
    FSD ran a red light last week. But later today I’ll be heading out in a Waymo robotaxi which will actually be here.
- panick21_ 2y ago
  Quite a claim. FSD in practice is nowhere close to actually being able to do robotaxi operations. So its not really a regulatory burden, other then regulatory actually checking if it works.
- jcranmer 2y ago
  > Aren't Cyber trucks by Tesla? GP is referring to Tesla's promise to build electric semi trucks, not the pickup truck that Cybertruck is. > And FSD is basically here which means robotaxis are basically here. Now there are just regulatory hurdles and the long tail. AIUI, Tesla FSD is at best Level 3 automation (probably more like Level 2), which means it requires constant driver supervision to keep the car from committing suicide. That's pretty far from being "basically here", especially since Tesla seems extremely loth to accept any responsibility for FSD-related crashes.
  - FreebasingLLMs 2y ago
    [dead]
  - kube-system 2y ago
    FSD is level 2, because the human driver is required to pay attention and intervene at all times. https://www.sae.org/binaries/content/gallery/cm/content/news/sae-blog/j3016graphic_2021.png https://www.sae.org/binaries/content/gallery/cm/content/news...
panick21_ 2y ago
What are you talking about? How about you spend like 2min doing research? Tesla solar roofs exist and are being deployed. Its just not the extreme growth market that Musk hopped for. And the trucks exist too. The private moon mission is off because the costumer pulled out. But Starship is still in development and is contract with NASA for a moon mission. Of course Robotaxi isn't close to existing.
- gonzo 2y ago
  > Of course Robotaxi isn't close to existing. Musk announced in January that it was to launch in June, in Austin.
testing22321 2y ago
Solar roof installs are continuing to grow. Slower than they hoped, but growing. The semi factory will be finished late this year. FSD gets better each month. Obviously there is massive debate if it will be “done” in 1, 2, 5, 10 or never years Robotaxis were announced recently, the plan as announced is for them to be sold in 2026. That has not changed. Looks like they’ll have some kind of driverless taxi service running this year with remote operators like Waymo. Private moon mission was canned. I think it’s pretty strange to say Musks promises never get delivered on when Tesla sells the most popular car on the planet two years running, spacex launches more to orbit than the rest of the world combined and a ton of other stuff. Obviously he’s utterly nuts, and doesn’t deliver everything he talks about, and is very late on many things. But you have to be blind to say he never delivers anything.
- jandrese 2y ago
  My understanding is that the solar roofs are basically dead. They're more of a vanity project than a real product. The total production of the tiles is enough to cover like 10-20 houses a week and the full system price is around 5 times what a regular solar install costs, even when you factor in replacing the entire roof before doing the solar install.
- WalterBright 2y ago
  > Obviously he’s utterly nuts He takes risks very few others are willing to do, but he is not nuts by any reasonable definition.
  - LightBug1 2y ago
    You're right. Not nuts. Utterly nuts. By any reasonable definition.
    - WalterBright 2y ago
      Explain.
      - 2y ago
WalterBright 2y ago
> Musk’s announcements that never get delivered on And then there's the ones he did deliver on, like spectacular re-usable rockets, Starlink, Neuralink, etc.
ralfd 2y ago
> And what happened to Tesla solar roofs? Who actually has one? Marques Brownlee: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJeSWbR6W04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJeSWbR6W04 They are expensive though, but nice looking. > And Tesla trucks? https://www.dhl.com/global-en/delivered/responsibility/dhl-tests-tesla-semi-electric-truck.html https://www.dhl.com/global-en/delivered/responsibility/dhl-t... Tesla is currently building a dedicated factory in Nevada for the Semi Truck. Production is starting end of this year and ramping up in 2027. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2wjjWKj8Wo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2wjjWKj8Wo

DannyBee 2y ago

Exactly why do you believe a court that does exactly this kind of judgement all the time is not capable of it? They issued a 127 page supporting decision on why they found it was a fair process that generated a fair price. Want to say which part you take issue with that shows it was not capable of the judgement? FWIW - I actually hate tesla, i just also hate the sort of drive by shitting on other fields that HN seems to do sometimes. If there are concrete reasons to believe they aren't capable, let's have that discussion. Otherwise, there's no need to denigrate others capabilities without evidence based on our feelings :)

toolz 2y ago
you hate the company or the product? How does someone hate a company the open sourced all of their patents which resulted in creating a ton of competition in a previously dominated market?
- shkkmo 2y ago
  I'm a fan of Tesla's patent strategy. However, calling it "open source" isn't strictly correct. Patents are only free to use as long as you also give Tesla rights to all your patents.
  - dbdoskey 2y ago
    That seems completely sane and fair
    - bumby 2y ago
      I agree it’s fair, but I don’t think it’s “open-source”. Open source means “free”; requiring me to give you something in return is transactional.
      - toolz 2y ago
        copy-left is referred to as open source and some even claim it's _more_ open source, but thanks for the information, I wasn't aware of the that detail. edit: oh it's not copyleft, but specifically quid pro quo so tesla gives you their patents if you give them yours