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They also started using new IPs without PTR records to send out mail. Though so has Microsoft just recently. Both heavily frown upon that when receiving mail th
by Avamander 2y ago
They also started using new IPs without PTR records to send out mail. Though so has Microsoft just recently. Both heavily frown upon that when receiving mail themselves. Do as we say...
- kemotep 2y agoI hate getting a report telling me my work domain is blocked because it is missing a PTR record and we use Exchange Online. I can’t do anything about that!
- genewitch 2y agoSure you can. For instance, I don't use Exchange at all.
- bongodongobob 2y agoYep, whenever I start a new job I say "Don't worry, because iamverysmart, you don't need any Microsoft products!" I am then hailed as a genius, everyone claps, and I get a big fat raise.
- walrus01 2y ago[flagged]
- frizlab 2y ago[flagged]
- NetOpWibby 2y agoI’m reading this in bed and nearly woke my wife when I read “my ass clapped” LMAO!
- darthrupert 2y agoThis sort of anti-progress sentiment doesn't belong here, I feel.
- 9dev 2y agoThe snarky „just don’t use Exchange, duh!“ doesn’t either. It’s a non-solution that armchair experts provide, who aren’t responsible for managing mailing for lots of people.
- johnisgood 2y agoThere is no alternative to Exchange that does not involve Microsoft?
- haswell 2y agoThere are many environments where people don’t have a choice but to maintain what is in production. Whether or not viable alternatives exist, those alternatives don’t magically change org structure, office politics, budget, current business priorities, etc. Bottom line: many people managing exchange don’t have the luxury of evaluating this problem in terms of alternatives.
- johnisgood 2y agoI do not disagree with this.
- 9dev 2y agoI don’t know any that come close in functionality, configurability, and maintainability. Exchange scales from a one-person handyman to Fortune 500 without a hitch, it comes with an office suite and cloud storage space, you find specialists for it on every corner, and it mostly just works. That’s pretty hard to beat, even if I’m personally more than unhappy to be so dependent on Microsoft, a US product, and closed-source software; there’s just not much I can do about it.
- 486sx33 2y ago[flagged]
- cyberax 2y agoYou can set up a reflector on a properly set up host, and have your Exchange server use it to route the outgoing mail.
- TabTwo 2y agosure you can, take your business elsewhere
- kemotep 2y agoIt’s a minor (but annoying) issue to make the reason to migrate 1,500 users. Who many of which would still need licenses for Excel anyway. Microsoft being annoying and frustrating and having so many issues is why I have a well paying job in IT.
- pas 2y agothat sounds like the lump of labor fallacy. there's plenty of things to do in IT besides babysitting hypocrite hypergiants.
- ZeroTalent 2y agoI hear you, but some people just want an easy high-paying job where they essentially work a few hours a week. Not everyone wants to fold proteins.
- alsetmusic 2y agoBecause I get to make those calls, not people two or three or four levels above me.
- wildekek 2y agoBe glad you receive a report. Apple just silently drops the email.
- solid_fuel 2y agoComplain to your provider. You're paying for the service, right? They should run a properly configured mail exchange and part of that is having PTR records. If they can't manage that then it's time for a serious discussion about changing vendors.
- walrus01 2y agoIt's incredibly entitled of some big cloud based operator to send mail from an SMTP source that doesn't have proper reverse DNS. Any normal independent small operator sending mail without proper reverse DNS will increase its likelihood of spam rank by a thousand percent. Or get flat out rejected at the SMTP negotiation process or relay attempt. But things like icloud, office365, google workspace and similar are "too big to fail", right? They don't have to play by the same rules as the rest of us peons. as referenced here, from the post on the 'mailop' mailing list https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43512353 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43512353 This is either an astonishing level of technical fuck-up from what has to be an entire work group of people with six figure salaries whose jobs are nothing but running email server infrastructure, so they must clearly know better, or a lack of regard for the internet community and accepted standards. I really cannot think of a third possible explanation for it. To be clear for those people who don't run their own email servers: Having proper reverse DNS for the IP of your outbound SMTP sending server is one of the absolute bare minimum requirements for accepted mail flow, and is a standard that's probably 25 years old or older now. It significantly pre-dates SPF, DKIM, DMARC and all the rest. Proper RDNS is literally one of the first things you verify before you set up everything else.
- wildekek 2y agoNot only does Apple frown upon that, they just silently drop emails that are sent from a server without PTR records. Yes, that includes their own servers. Yes, sending email from iCloud to iCloud is silently dropped if they decide you get assigned an outgoing server without PTR. The absolute amateurism just blows my mind.