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See the leaderboard tab here: https://lmarena.ai https://lmarena.ai. Or just try it. It's excellent. Usage is free of charge so far. Subjectively, on my prompts

by ein0p 2y ago

See the leaderboard tab here: https://lmarena.ai https://lmarena.ai. Or just try it. It's excellent. Usage is free of charge so far. Subjectively, on my prompts, it seems substantially stronger than GPT 4o and 4.5. I also like its more "informal" tone, and its willingness to discuss the more controversial topics.

uxcolumbo 2y ago
I think it’s important to not support products by people who want to destroy democracy and who openly sieg heiling or claiming Hitler wasn’t responsible for the Holocaust.
- gwern 2y ago
  On the bright side, Google's new Gemini-2.5-pro comes with no Holocaust-denying issues, and is definitely a lot better than Grok, and is also free and fast. (I've been using it the past 2 days and am pretty impressed - the first high-end Google model I'd willingly use instead of GPT-4.5 or Claude-3.7.)
  - ein0p 2y ago
    Meh. Google can keep its censorship and algorithmic narrative steering for itself, IMO. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes, or something like that.
    - gwern 2y ago
      The Gemini models have become notorious for being rather uncensored and unrestricted, with an oddly base-model-like feel, since at least last November.
      - ein0p 2y ago
        Good to know, I will give them another try, thanks. Cooler heads might have prevailed over there.
- arandomusername 2y ago
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  - uxcolumbo 2y ago
    Just one of many news media reporting about it: https://usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/14/elon-musk-hitler-federal-workers/82402023007/ https://usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/14/elon-mus... Elon is part of the government who are committed to carry out the project 2025 agenda which was devised by the heritage foundation. Their aim is to destroy democratic institutions. They are now trying to find how to let Trump have a third term. Look up what Elon is doing in Wisconsin, bribing voters to get a judge replaced. If you can’t see the damage currently being done by the Trump admin, then please do your research. To be an informed citizen requires more than writing ‘citation needed’.
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- kelnos 2y ago
  Agreed, but that's not really related to the question at hand.
  - uxcolumbo 2y ago
    In normal times I wouldn’t have done this. But we are at a point in history where everyone who believes in upholding democratic values needs to call out those in power who are actively trying to destroy it. Vote with your wallet. And it’s risky to build your product on top of Grok’s platform, because its owner is totally unstable and you don’t want to be exposed to ketamine fuelled decision making that could negatively impact your business.
- int_19h 2y ago
  If you use the free version, you're basically draining his money.
purpleidea 2y ago
Ask any mainstream U.S. model anything remotely sexual and they all abort. Musk et al. claim they want free speech and no censorship, yet the U.S. evangelicals have their teeth so deep into the tech, that they block it or debank anyone who even remotely suggests women should have a pleasurable sexual experience.
croes 2y ago
Yep, it’s pretty smart https://www.theverge.com/news/617799/elon-musk-grok-ai-donald-trump-death-penalty https://www.theverge.com/news/617799/elon-musk-grok-ai-donal...

by ein0p 2y ago

uxcolumbo 2y ago

I think it’s important to not support products by people who want to destroy democracy and who openly sieg heiling or claiming Hitler wasn’t responsible for the Holocaust.

gwern 2y ago
On the bright side, Google's new Gemini-2.5-pro comes with no Holocaust-denying issues, and is definitely a lot better than Grok, and is also free and fast. (I've been using it the past 2 days and am pretty impressed - the first high-end Google model I'd willingly use instead of GPT-4.5 or Claude-3.7.)
- ein0p 2y ago
  Meh. Google can keep its censorship and algorithmic narrative steering for itself, IMO. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes, or something like that.
  - gwern 2y ago
    The Gemini models have become notorious for being rather uncensored and unrestricted, with an oddly base-model-like feel, since at least last November.
    - ein0p 2y ago
      Good to know, I will give them another try, thanks. Cooler heads might have prevailed over there.
arandomusername 2y ago
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- fashion-at-cost 2y ago
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- uxcolumbo 2y ago
  Just one of many news media reporting about it: https://usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/14/elon-musk-hitler-federal-workers/82402023007/ https://usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/14/elon-mus... Elon is part of the government who are committed to carry out the project 2025 agenda which was devised by the heritage foundation. Their aim is to destroy democratic institutions. They are now trying to find how to let Trump have a third term. Look up what Elon is doing in Wisconsin, bribing voters to get a judge replaced. If you can’t see the damage currently being done by the Trump admin, then please do your research. To be an informed citizen requires more than writing ‘citation needed’.
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kelnos 2y ago
Agreed, but that's not really related to the question at hand.
- uxcolumbo 2y ago
  In normal times I wouldn’t have done this. But we are at a point in history where everyone who believes in upholding democratic values needs to call out those in power who are actively trying to destroy it. Vote with your wallet. And it’s risky to build your product on top of Grok’s platform, because its owner is totally unstable and you don’t want to be exposed to ketamine fuelled decision making that could negatively impact your business.
int_19h 2y ago
If you use the free version, you're basically draining his money.

purpleidea 2y ago

Ask any mainstream U.S. model anything remotely sexual and they all abort. Musk et al. claim they want free speech and no censorship, yet the U.S. evangelicals have their teeth so deep into the tech, that they block it or debank anyone who even remotely suggests women should have a pleasurable sexual experience.

croes 2y ago

Yep, it’s pretty smart https://www.theverge.com/news/617799/elon-musk-grok-ai-donald-trump-death-penalty https://www.theverge.com/news/617799/elon-musk-grok-ai-donal...