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Socially, emotionally, physically for example are ways people can be intelligent that is ignored in regular schooling. Intelligence is largely related to STEM

Socially, emotionally, physically for example are ways people can be intelligent that is ignored in regular schooling. Intelligence is largely related to STEM and memory in most instances. But there are a vast number of other ways to be intelligent. Perhaps you excel at emotionally connecting with people, maybe you're really good at cooking or tooling approaches. All of these are ignored in school. School is nothing more then a checkbox along your path, you need to be able to read, write, do math, etc. But we ignore a large amount of our populace who may excel at grunt work, or maybe they are really good at leadership. Just because you don't know y=mx+b or struggle at reasoning/logistical challenges does not mean you are not valuable to society. Maybe your 300lbs of rock solid muscle and in a past live would have been a top tier hunter. We do appreciate some amount of sports, but even that stops unless you're in the top 1-2% of the country.

Miraste 2y ago
This is off base. Socially intelligent people occupy all of the best paid and most powerful positions in society. Social manipulation is the most valued kind of intelligence in America, far more than academic intelligence.
- ty6853 2y ago
  Social intelligence is how you capture all of the added value of a trade, leaving none for the other guy. But you have to generate value in the first place, otherwise you can use social intelligence only for theft.
  - Miraste 2y ago
    Exactly, it's useful for theft. Taking the value other people produce is the whole benefit of social intelligence. If you can convince someone that a scam is a good deal, you don't need to create any value at all. This is the origin of, among others, the political class.
    - BobaFloutist 2y ago
      >Taking the value other people produce is the whole benefit of social intelligence. This is myopic almost to the point of satire. You really can't think of a single other benefit of social intelligence?
      - Miraste 2y ago
        Of course it has other benefits. The context of the conversation was in terms of advancement in society,
- copperx 2y ago
  > Social manipulation is the most valued kind of intelligence in America It's incorrect to think that's limited to America. Humans are mostly powerless against the charm of narcissists and other sociopaths. You see it over and over throughout human history all over the world.
- dubcanada 2y ago
  The question was not about if being manipulative socially later in life is not a benefit. Of course it is a benefit. But you get graded based on your ability to read, write, do math, memorize data points. Not on your ability to lie to your teacher in a believable manner. You may excel later in life, but it's not like you can enter Yale because you can manipulate people. You also need a certain level of other intelligence to properly manipulate people, or at least a certain level of self narcissism. I mean you kind of proved my point, perhaps we should be teaching/discussing social skills.
  - Miraste 2y ago
    General intelligence and social intelligence are correlated, which makes discussion difficult. Yale's a good example, though. Applicants need a base level of academic achievement to get in, but it's not actually that high. They didn't even require test scores for the last few years. If that were the main criterion, the whole school would be East Asian. Instead, what matters is marketing yourself. Knowing people, or building a narrative the admissions committee is looking for. Social intelligence. I completely agree that social skills should be emphasized in school-not to reward the people who are already adept, but to impress on the others that they're the primary determinant of success.

Miraste 2y ago

This is off base. Socially intelligent people occupy all of the best paid and most powerful positions in society. Social manipulation is the most valued kind of intelligence in America, far more than academic intelligence.

ty6853 2y ago
Social intelligence is how you capture all of the added value of a trade, leaving none for the other guy. But you have to generate value in the first place, otherwise you can use social intelligence only for theft.
- Miraste 2y ago
  Exactly, it's useful for theft. Taking the value other people produce is the whole benefit of social intelligence. If you can convince someone that a scam is a good deal, you don't need to create any value at all. This is the origin of, among others, the political class.
  - BobaFloutist 2y ago
    >Taking the value other people produce is the whole benefit of social intelligence. This is myopic almost to the point of satire. You really can't think of a single other benefit of social intelligence?
    - Miraste 2y ago
      Of course it has other benefits. The context of the conversation was in terms of advancement in society,
copperx 2y ago
> Social manipulation is the most valued kind of intelligence in America It's incorrect to think that's limited to America. Humans are mostly powerless against the charm of narcissists and other sociopaths. You see it over and over throughout human history all over the world.
dubcanada 2y ago
The question was not about if being manipulative socially later in life is not a benefit. Of course it is a benefit. But you get graded based on your ability to read, write, do math, memorize data points. Not on your ability to lie to your teacher in a believable manner. You may excel later in life, but it's not like you can enter Yale because you can manipulate people. You also need a certain level of other intelligence to properly manipulate people, or at least a certain level of self narcissism. I mean you kind of proved my point, perhaps we should be teaching/discussing social skills.
- Miraste 2y ago
  General intelligence and social intelligence are correlated, which makes discussion difficult. Yale's a good example, though. Applicants need a base level of academic achievement to get in, but it's not actually that high. They didn't even require test scores for the last few years. If that were the main criterion, the whole school would be East Asian. Instead, what matters is marketing yourself. Knowing people, or building a narrative the admissions committee is looking for. Social intelligence. I completely agree that social skills should be emphasized in school-not to reward the people who are already adept, but to impress on the others that they're the primary determinant of success.