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"Nobody deserves to make money on the internet except some opinionated subset of people I deem worthy of it." Also, this utterly confuses what's basically spam

by pxoe 2y ago

"Nobody deserves to make money on the internet except some opinionated subset of people I deem worthy of it." Also, this utterly confuses what's basically spam content with "content creation". All in all, just odd conflations to make some point, doused in elitism.

JohnMakin 2y ago
It may surprise you to know there was a time when people created content for the sake of it. It appears you have missed the point of what you’re responding to.
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- pxoe 2y ago
  Cool, they're still free to do so, just like people are free to make money on the internet from their works. And believe it or not, people are still creating things for free.
  - JohnMakin 2y ago
    And these things are not incentivized by the platforms they are created on, and thus rarely seen by anyone. Slop is incentivized. So yes while I am free not to create slop, I’m also bombarded by it, and my own creative output is limited due to the incentives of these platforms. It doesn’t seem to me you understood what this post was saying, and I don’t care to explain it further. The state of content will continue to degrade with this very oafish mindset.
    - pxoe 2y ago
      Popular things are widely appealing things, and it's not really gonna be any different in that regard in any medium. It's just the kind of stuff that appeals to the widest audience. So, you just have to look. Do your part as a consumer. Again, believe it or not, but you do have to put in a bit more effort to look for stuff that might appeal more to you, creators, artists, musicians, rather than just complaining that things aren't served to you while doing nothing. Or you could just complain and wait for better algos or whatever, for somebody to do the curation job for you. Also, again, just so snobby. I'm sure your taste is oh so superior to everyone else.
      - JohnMakin 2y ago
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    - abbadadda 2y ago
      Just wanted to say that I really appreciated your level-headed responses here, John (& I am also this “DevOps/Systems Engineer/SRE” … must be all that incident response training paying off, calm is contagious and all that )
    - hobofan 2y ago
      > my own creative output is limited due to the incentives of these platforms How so? > It may surprise you to know there was a time when people created content for the sake of it. What time did you have in mind when talking about this? Yes, those times existed, and they still exist. But there was never a time where mainstream media (which has now shifted to happening to social media platforms) wasn't slop and molded by bad monetary incentives. And still during all that time talented creators kept on creating for the sake of it, while often ignored by the masses - a tale as old as time.
- Supermancho 2y ago
  > Me, I’m happy with the reach I gained. I’m very happy about all the connections I found and people I got to know from social media over the years. But I can’t be bothered with platforms that allow obvious spam and highly manipulative content and have policies that value vapid interaction over real discourse and original content. "We should be more than that", "real discourse", "original content". The point of the blog post is unclear. It has disjointed bolded section titles with a softly condescending main title. I would describe it as self-flagellation with a splash of nostalgia. Soft terms being thrown around so casually, I find it hard to distinguish from the maligned AI posts described - spelling error and all!
krapp 2y ago
Tech does seem to harbor this weird disdain towards creative industries. "Designers" are looked down on as simply destroying the efficiency of UI and web layouts with wasteful bloat and eye candy, artists aren't "authentic" unless they suffer, anyone who isn't hand-crafting their HTML on a site they're serving from their living room is just a commercial parasite with nothing of value to offer, and everyone should give all of their work away for free regardless of how much time, effort and investment they put into it. And stop complaining when an AI comes along and rips your style off because you were just an elitist gatekeeping art to begin with, and are probably just a talentless hack. The concept that someone could be passionate and authentic about their work and want or need to make a living at it just doesn't compute. Maybe it's something in the programmer/engineer mindset that sees anything beyond pure code and information as essentially puerile and meaningless.

by pxoe 2y ago

JohnMakin 2y ago

It may surprise you to know there was a time when people created content for the sake of it. It appears you have missed the point of what you’re responding to.

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pxoe 2y ago
Cool, they're still free to do so, just like people are free to make money on the internet from their works. And believe it or not, people are still creating things for free.
- JohnMakin 2y ago
  And these things are not incentivized by the platforms they are created on, and thus rarely seen by anyone. Slop is incentivized. So yes while I am free not to create slop, I’m also bombarded by it, and my own creative output is limited due to the incentives of these platforms. It doesn’t seem to me you understood what this post was saying, and I don’t care to explain it further. The state of content will continue to degrade with this very oafish mindset.
  - pxoe 2y ago
    Popular things are widely appealing things, and it's not really gonna be any different in that regard in any medium. It's just the kind of stuff that appeals to the widest audience. So, you just have to look. Do your part as a consumer. Again, believe it or not, but you do have to put in a bit more effort to look for stuff that might appeal more to you, creators, artists, musicians, rather than just complaining that things aren't served to you while doing nothing. Or you could just complain and wait for better algos or whatever, for somebody to do the curation job for you. Also, again, just so snobby. I'm sure your taste is oh so superior to everyone else.
    - JohnMakin 2y ago
      [flagged]
  - abbadadda 2y ago
    Just wanted to say that I really appreciated your level-headed responses here, John (& I am also this “DevOps/Systems Engineer/SRE” … must be all that incident response training paying off, calm is contagious and all that )
  - hobofan 2y ago
    > my own creative output is limited due to the incentives of these platforms How so? > It may surprise you to know there was a time when people created content for the sake of it. What time did you have in mind when talking about this? Yes, those times existed, and they still exist. But there was never a time where mainstream media (which has now shifted to happening to social media platforms) wasn't slop and molded by bad monetary incentives. And still during all that time talented creators kept on creating for the sake of it, while often ignored by the masses - a tale as old as time.
Supermancho 2y ago
> Me, I’m happy with the reach I gained. I’m very happy about all the connections I found and people I got to know from social media over the years. But I can’t be bothered with platforms that allow obvious spam and highly manipulative content and have policies that value vapid interaction over real discourse and original content. "We should be more than that", "real discourse", "original content". The point of the blog post is unclear. It has disjointed bolded section titles with a softly condescending main title. I would describe it as self-flagellation with a splash of nostalgia. Soft terms being thrown around so casually, I find it hard to distinguish from the maligned AI posts described - spelling error and all!

krapp 2y ago

Tech does seem to harbor this weird disdain towards creative industries. "Designers" are looked down on as simply destroying the efficiency of UI and web layouts with wasteful bloat and eye candy, artists aren't "authentic" unless they suffer, anyone who isn't hand-crafting their HTML on a site they're serving from their living room is just a commercial parasite with nothing of value to offer, and everyone should give all of their work away for free regardless of how much time, effort and investment they put into it. And stop complaining when an AI comes along and rips your style off because you were just an elitist gatekeeping art to begin with, and are probably just a talentless hack. The concept that someone could be passionate and authentic about their work and want or need to make a living at it just doesn't compute. Maybe it's something in the programmer/engineer mindset that sees anything beyond pure code and information as essentially puerile and meaningless.