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If I'm evaluating a potential application whose core functionality does not require external resources/servers (Dropbox for example) and they don't at a minimum
by vunderba 2y ago
If I'm evaluating a potential application whose core functionality does not require external resources/servers (Dropbox for example) and they don't at a minimum offer some kind of perpetual fallback license (aka the Jetbrains annual subscription model), then I straight up bounce.
Examples of good alternatives
- Pixelmator > Photoshop
- Davinci Resolve > Premiere
- Reaper > Audition
I have no interest in renting my tools.
- Shopper0552 2y agoDo you have any good alternatives to Photoshop that are open source? And that are not GIMP. Nothing against GIMP, I just found it too hard to learn coming from photoshop. I'm looking for a simple editor that can do color adjustments, crop/resize images, and add text.
- _mlbt 2y agoThere’s Krita… https://krita.org/en/ https://krita.org/en/
- renegat0x0 2y agoKrita is so good, and so easy to use! I rarely use gimp now
- SoftTalker 2y ago> I'm looking for a simple editor that can do color adjustments, crop/resize images, and add text. Those are all pretty simple in GIMP though? I'm not doubting that they are different from Photoshop but how long could it take to learn the GIMP way?
- thaumasiotes 2y agoI'd like to know more about color adjustments. I know GIMP can do them in some form, but I have no idea what the options are or what kind of results I should hope to be able to achieve. Documentation doesn't really seem to address these questions, though it is available if your question is "how do I run this menu item I found?" (Answer: open the menu, and click on the menu item.) Cropping and resizing are trivial. It would take less than one minute to learn how.
- skydhash 2y agoThere's a Colors menu in Gimp 3. But it's destructive and only for the selected layer, not the special layer type you get in Photoshop.
- emporas 2y agoYou can use the gmic plugin alongside with Gimp, and adjust the CMYK values. I use that all the time. Color adjustments like yellow -> orange, or green -> purple, might exceed your expectations. Photoshop is excellent at it as well, i have never used Photoshop to compare though. For more professional work Clut (Color Look Up Table) is supported by gmic as well. I also made my own open source tool to pass gmic filters to whole videos, see an example here [1]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8of-R-5zcs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8of-R-5zcs
- Duanemclemore 2y agoThe biggest issue I had migrating as a Photoshop user since 1996 was the key bindings. But using the config files people shared online sorted that. I'm not going to link to a specific one implying I'm recommending it, but a web search will show multiple. One important gimp note is if you don't have 3.0+ already, get it. It finally has non-destructive editing, which is the main reason I had to keep using ps for for a long time.
- Lammy 2y ago> The biggest issue I had migrating as a Photoshop user since 1996 was the key bindings RIP GIMPshop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIMPshop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIMPshop
- mamonoleechi 2y agoIt's easy to change keybindings on Gimp, most of mines are ones i used in photoshop 4-CS2. >It finally has non-destructive editing not for the fonts unfortunately, if you resize a text with the scale tool, it gets rasterized
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- bad_user 2y agoGIMP takes some time getting used to, but it's reliable, it will stick around and having used it for the past 20 years, I have issues switching to something else.
- snielson 2y agoI use Paint.net for simple tasks like those you listed. I paid $10 for it in the Microsoft store but I think you can get it for free from the website.
- dokyun 2y agoPaint.net isn't free software, it's proprietary freeware. It used to be free a long time ago, but the author is a tool and made it closed source because people were creating other versions of it.
- UncleSlacky 2y agoPinta is a free reimplenetation: https://www.pinta-project.com https://www.pinta-project.com
- wrp 2y agoFor simple things, I use mtPaint on Linux and PhotoFiltre on Windows. They are easy to figure out and very stable.
- fodkodrasz 2y agoPaint.Net on Windows. Though on Windows there is Paint, that is less capable, but still no equivalent is on MacOS OOTB. (Also the drama around Paint is worth its own bashing). I'd be interested in a similar basic tool as paint for mac and Linux (and possibly also for windows, if MS crappifies Paint, after it has tried to kill it earlier)
- UncleSlacky 2y agoPinta (essentially a reimplementation of Paint.NET) exists for MacOS as well as Linux and Windows: https://www.pinta-project.com/releases/ https://www.pinta-project.com/releases/
- theothertimcook 2y agoThere are some subtle quirks where pinta just doesn’t play ball in a way that is intuitive to a PDN aficionado. Photopea is very close but i keep coming back to PDN either VM or RDP
- tracker1 2y agoI want to like Pinta, but some of the load/save behaviors are just weird... not sure if I last tried the Flatpak version or not, but I've tried it on both Mac and Linux a few times... It's my go to for quick edits, but far from a fav.
- fodkodrasz 2y agoI tried Pinta, and honestly it has so many subtle differences from PDN, it was really uncomfortable and unproductive for me. I could not get to like it, but will give it some more time. Also the icons are terrible (at least on the mac), I find it really hard to identify a tool, these monochrome icons set me off and slowed me down since Visual Studio 2012. This fad is a really good example for design trends ruining productivity.
- hyperlink014 2y agoI use Photopea which tries to mimic Photoshop UI and runs entirely on your browser. In fact, you can even install it as a Web App to run it offline. Pretty intuitive UI. https://www.photopea.com/ https://www.photopea.com/
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y agoYeah, but Photopea has a monthly cost and this post is about avoiding that. I love pwa, but I need image editing maybe once a month, I'm not going to pay a subscription for that
- LeoPanthera 2y agoYou actually can still buy Office. It's quite expensive though. I suppose it always was. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?LinkID=2113574&CLCID=0x1009&culture=en-us&country=US https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?LinkID=2113574&CLCID=0x10...
- vunderba 2y agoThat's honestly less than I would have expected. I still have an old copy of Microsoft Office 95 though I no longer have the hardware with which to run it. Ditto a copy of Adobe Photoshop CS6 which I believe was the final version before they went full on subscription.
- chii 2y agoi reckon these software ought to run fine in a VM, perhaps running something like windows xp. Unfortunately, with photoshop, the hardware drivers for the various drawing tablets will probably not function (or remain available).
- raffraffraff 2y agoAlso work on a brand new Linux with wine. Actually come to that, my wife has Windows 10 and runs Photoshop CS2 occasionally.
- goosedragons 2y agoI tested PS7 on ARM64 Windows and it ran fine even. A little blurry on the high DPI display though.
- dreamcompiler 2y agoHere's what Microsoft won't tell you: If you buy standalone office and it is not allowed to phone home to Microsoft at least once a month, it stops working. This can happen if you use it on a disconnected computer or you just have a reverse firewall rule blocking microsoft domains.
- publicola1990 2y agoIsn't it dogmatic to think so. Sometimes it makes sense to rent tools.
- vunderba 2y agoNaturally. I've rented an mini excavator in the past to dig up stumps for a one time job. It made sense more sense to rent it since it was for a one-time task, and purchasing the kubota would have cost more than 5k. Given we're on HN news, I thought it was implied that I was referring mostly to the exhaustion at being faced with a perpetually increasing amount of rent-seeking in the form of SaaS.
- thewebguyd 2y agoAdditionally, for a lot of professional software, we aren't given the option for short term rental. For creative cloud, I pay monthly but agree on a annual basis. There's a more expensive month-to-month sub, but still you have it at minimum for a whole month. With software subscriptions, I don't have the option of saying "I need to rent lightroom for 3 hours to edit this session." and have it be priced accordingly. No matter what, I'm on the hook for at minimum a month. On the flip side of that, since I use it so frequently, it's insulting that my only option is just to rent it. I can buy other tools outright and own them, so I'd also like to own my digital tools as well.
- jwr 2y ago> I have no interest in renting my tools. While I appreciate the sentiment, the world where you could use the same software for many years without updates is gone. These days developers have to invest significant time and effort into making sure the software just runs on the constantly updated operating systems and platforms — which costs money on an ongoing basis. Expecting your software to be updated regularly without paying regularly makes no sense. So either you intend to run that exact binary that you downloaded (because that is the tool you bought), or the ongoing costs need to be covered somehow. Some companies do it through subscriptions and some play a game of "no, you don't have to update, but here is this new shiny (more bloated, too) version that we produce every 2 years, you can get it for $50 and OWN IT FOREVER (well, until the next shiny comes along in 2 years time". But it's a game, and the drawback is that there is incentive for bloating software instead of just maintaining it and fixing bugs.
- vunderba 2y agoWhile I do recognize those concerns I'll note that it is still a viable model and not just for indie devs. Look to the DAW world (Ableton, FL Studio, Bitwig, Logic, etc.) if you're ever curious about building a sustainable business model around a flat pricing structure.
- eddythompson80 2y agoYou listed software that range between $500-$15k. Last time a “I want the option to pay for my software” posts here I replied to was about Infuse. And people complained that “$80 is an absurd amount for a software” and “Why isn’t there a free version?” A software that costs $500-15k is only feasible for a B2B type business.
- dijksterhuis 2y ago> You listed software that range between $500-$15k. i’m confused… all versions of the DAWs they mentioned in the parent comment are as near as makes no difference below £500. > Live 12 Suite: £539 > Live 12 Standard: £259 > Live 12 Intro: £69 (nice) https://www.ableton.com/en/shop/live/ https://www.ableton.com/en/shop/live/ > FL Studio Full: £469 (nice) > FL Studio Signature: £279 > FL Studio Producer: £199 > FL Studio Fruity: £89 https://www.image-line.com/fl-studio/compare-editions/ https://www.image-line.com/fl-studio/compare-editions/ > Bitwig Studio: £339 > Bitwig Studio Producer: £169 (nice) > Bitwig Studio Essentials: £79 https://www.bitwig.com/buy/ https://www.bitwig.com/buy/ > Logic Pro: £199 —- in case you were replying to their original top-level comment > Photoshop £22.99 pcm (£276 pa) > Photoshop Photography £19.99 pcm (£240 pa) > Photoshop All Creative Cloud £59.99 pcm (£720 pa) this last one ^ bundles all the proprietary adobe “rented” software they mentioned into one package. https://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/plans.html https://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/plans.html so even then your figures don’t seem to make sense?
- tombert 2y agoI would also like to throw in Lightworks into the “very good Premiere alternatives”. If you are ok with exporting 720p, the free version is pretty capable but if you want higher export resolution it cost money. It has a subscription option, but also a “buy outright” option, and it’s often on sale for half price for the permanent license, ends up costing around ~$200 and it works on Windows, Mac, and Linux. I think it’s very good, though I am not a professional video editor by trade.
- dijit 2y agoI upvote any option that has a “buy outright” baked in.
- HelloNurse 2y agoYou are easy to satisfy. Once upon a time, we complained about undependable applications that, although installed on a computer, dared to "phone home". Before that, we complained about undependable applications that, while not fucking around with remote servers, employed invasive and annoying anti-piracy measures.
- tombert 2y agoI don’t love that Lightworks phones home, but FWIW, Lightworks’ support has been very good when I have contacted. They were very helpful when I needed to migrate a license when I had to swap to another computer. This might not seem like much but that has been something I have struggled with other companies over.
- goosedragons 2y agoI haven't personally used it much, except for a very simple cut but I have heard very good things about KDENLive too.
- dharmab 2y agoI've used KDENLive and it's about as comparable to Resolve or Lightworks as Windows Movie Maker is to Premiere.
- nxpnsv 2y agoI really enjoy the affinity suite.
- specproc 2y agoYeah, likewise, just wish they did Linux
- tracker1 2y agoSame.. it'd totally be a take my money moment... same for Topaz Labs' software. Though I accept that I'm a minority user and it probably isn't worth the efforts for them... similar to codec support issues for Davinci Resolve's free version on linux.
- poglet 2y agoWishing there was a capable Lightroom alternative.
- UtopiaPunk 2y agoDarktable? https://www.darktable.org/ https://www.darktable.org/
- Fethbita 2y agoAlso Capture One, they have a perpetual license but the changes they made in 2023 to the perpetual license was quite bad. Now if you buy that version, you’re locked to the version you purchased and don’t get new features.
- pjmlp 2y agoWhile those producing tools for living might not have an interest on keeping offering them free of charge. Eventually that guy/girl in Nebraska is going to look elsewhere.
- majewsky 2y agoOP did not assert that they wanted software free of charge.
- atoav 2y agoResolve is cool for pro users for others who basically just want to do small edits with straightforward software chrck out kdenlive
- dimitarbogdanov 2y agoHonestly, Resolve isn't that difficult, especially if you're OK with watching some tutorials to get used to it. It's certainly no more difficult than Premiere (for basic tasks, of course).
- atoav 2y agoI teach those programs (after working with them for years as a freelance editor/colorist). Resolve is worth learning, and not that hard, you're right. But Resolve is not a "pick it up and it pretty much explains itself" software either.