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To every veteran and aerospace engineer who honored the classification of information, this incident and likely prior ones, is horrendous and criminal. Violato
by k310 2y ago
To every veteran and aerospace engineer who honored the classification of information, this incident and likely prior ones, is horrendous and criminal.
Violators are immediately arrested and charged. I hate to see top-level exceptions to both record-keeping and mishandling of classified information. That's where they do the most damage.
As others have noted, the flaw in using Signal on consumer phones is due to vulnerabilities in the phone itself. And it was wrong to use consumer phones.
That said, I was recommending Signal to friends in order to have online discussions, using the conferencing feature, since it is cross-platform and cross-device. However, one friend lost their Apple login and can't install software on their phone. I sent a very long explainer on how to reset it.
Guess I'll try face-time conferencing, which works on Apple Devices [0] and will work with others via web [1]. Requires ios 15 or Monterey to initiate.
We have been using free, limited, zoom sessions.
[0] https://support.apple.com/en-us/111767 https://support.apple.com/en-us/111767
[1] https://support.apple.com/en-us/109364 https://support.apple.com/en-us/109364
- jonny_eh 2y ago> We have been using free, limited, zoom sessions. How secure are those?
- lazide 2y agoVery insecure.
- toyg 2y agoYou can be secure in the knowledge that the Chinese Communist Party can and will eavesdrop on any session.
- KennyBlanken 2y agoSignal is end-to-end encrypted. Signal makes it very difficult to even tell what parties are talking to each other (though if you have nation-state-level internet tracking, you can probably tell.) Signal doesn't know anything about you except your number or screenname, when you signed up, and when you were last active. Zoom is none of those things and the grandparent commenter has no idea what they're talking about.
- Epa095 2y ago. >and the grandparent commenter has no idea what they're talking about. What is this all about? I can't really see what you seem to disagree with?
- sleepybrett 2y agosignal may be e2e encrypted, but if i root your phone with a 0 click exploit. Which most of the state level actors we care about can and do do. Then I can just read your signal messages out of memory as soon as you open them. period. end of. Using a public smartphone to conduct discussions about classified information is straight crazy. E2E encrypted or not.
- k310 2y agoWe discuss Buddhist writings. Polite guests would be welcome, but I'm afraid that most would be bored.
- Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe 2y agoDepends on which country you live in.
- Gerardo1 2y agoI read this as you suggesting that signal is somehow at fault here? If I'm getting that wrong, ignore me, if I'm not, could you expand that? I don't follow how signal did anything wrong here, or was in any way responsible.
- jetsnoc 2y agoI interpreted the message sas aying the fault lies with those who transmitted the top-secret through Signal and not a fault of the Signal company/app.
- TechRemarker 2y agoI don't see any part they are saying this is Signal's fault (vs the fault of the people who committed the "horrendous and criminal" acts? Which part are you referring to?
- k310 2y agoI thought I made it clear that the phone OS is vulnerable. Like, what good is encryption when malware can steal your camera, microphone and screen? Zero. I have been a Signal fan for a long time.
- outside1234 2y agoHe is saying that the USERS (aka the cabinet) should be arrested for disclosure of attack plans.
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- throwway120385 2y agoThe problem isn't specifically the release of this information, which to my understanding didn't reduce the effectiveness of the operation. But the real problem is that now that other state actors and intelligence agencies know that our top military and intelligence officials sometimes share details of impending operations on their personal cell phones, there is now a pretty strong incentive to try to crack those phones or crack the Signal protocol somehow to get access to that information. And Signal and Apple do their best but they don't have the kind of resources that the NSA or CIA can bring to bear on securing a piece of equipment from espionage.
- ironchef 2y agoIt's at least CUI. At _least_. I would suggest material that is operational in those regards would be secret or top secret. It had: * timelines of kinetic resource missions * conops including order of battle, etc. Per normal ODNI bits, it's pretty clearly within bounds for classification.
- doublerabbit 2y agoWhy not use Jitsi? Flawless experience every time. The mobile app is polished and exists for both Android and iOS. Throw it up on a budget VPS host and you have E2E video calling without any MiTM.
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