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It's very nice, but it doesn't do system undo. You can shake iPhones to get an Undo/Redo dialog, for example. So you can probably trap Meta-Z but some people u

It's very nice, but it doesn't do system undo. You can shake iPhones to get an Undo/Redo dialog, for example. So you can probably trap Meta-Z but some people use menus or the other affordances.

nukem222 2y ago
> You can shake iPhones to get an Undo/Redo dialog, for example. When are they gonna add a proper UI for this? I look like a moron using the phone this way, and shaking only works to trigger the undo about half the time.
- rekabis 2y ago
  Half the time? More like 10% of the time. Sometimes I think I have to use a paint can shaker on a 5-minute cycle just to trigger it.
- frou_dh 2y ago
  2019: https://www.macworld.com/article/233056/ios-13-and-ipados-13-how-to-use-the-new-gestures-for-cut-copy-paste-undo-and-redo.html https://www.macworld.com/article/233056/ios-13-and-ipados-13...
  - nukem222 2y ago
    Edit: thank you! Man I get gestures have been embraced by the community, but this is emphatically not what I meant. The only gesture that makes sense to me is pinch-to-zoom and maybe swiping on cards that appear to be floating. There's no way to discover this functionality outside of googling documentation and it often doesn't work with one hand.
    - julik 2y ago
      There is another that is fairly intuitive for a Mac person: tap-and-hold to get a contextual menu. Shame they have hidden it under some kind of "haptic feedback" thingamagig.
      - nukem222 2y ago
        The ipad also has an icon above its keyboard. Whatever lack of obvious interaction is available on the phone seems intentional. Cynically, I think you'd just look like even more of a fool shaking an ipad and this is the only reason they approved such a button.
julik 2y ago
Well, hooking into system undo is tricky as there still seems to be no native web platform thing for that. I see all kinds of things like https://github.com/samthor/undoer https://github.com/samthor/undoer but the article was about the foundation, rather than the integration. For what I am doing, shortcuts + clickable buttons on screen will do the job.
- hyperhello 2y ago
  If you're interested, [plug] here is my technique, just a page of script. https://hypervariety.com/NativeBrowserUndo/NativeBrowserUndo.html https://hypervariety.com/NativeBrowserUndo/NativeBrowserUndo...
sgarland 2y ago
TIL this is why that modal has popped up at seemingly random times. Very useful, if you know how to summon it!
- aitchnyu 2y ago
  Around 2018, the ultra buggy Matrix messenger had a onShakeListener that triggered a dialog "It seems you are frustrated. Do you want to raise a bug report?"
  - JadedBlueEyes 2y ago
    Element's crash reporting system is still called 'rageshake' today, and you can enable the shake-to-report function in dev settings.

It's very nice, but it doesn't do system undo. You can shake iPhones to get an Undo/Redo dialog, for example. So you can probably trap Meta-Z but some people use menus or the other affordances.

nukem222 2y ago

> You can shake iPhones to get an Undo/Redo dialog, for example. When are they gonna add a proper UI for this? I look like a moron using the phone this way, and shaking only works to trigger the undo about half the time.

rekabis 2y ago
Half the time? More like 10% of the time. Sometimes I think I have to use a paint can shaker on a 5-minute cycle just to trigger it.
frou_dh 2y ago
2019: https://www.macworld.com/article/233056/ios-13-and-ipados-13-how-to-use-the-new-gestures-for-cut-copy-paste-undo-and-redo.html https://www.macworld.com/article/233056/ios-13-and-ipados-13...
- nukem222 2y ago
  Edit: thank you! Man I get gestures have been embraced by the community, but this is emphatically not what I meant. The only gesture that makes sense to me is pinch-to-zoom and maybe swiping on cards that appear to be floating. There's no way to discover this functionality outside of googling documentation and it often doesn't work with one hand.
  - julik 2y ago
    There is another that is fairly intuitive for a Mac person: tap-and-hold to get a contextual menu. Shame they have hidden it under some kind of "haptic feedback" thingamagig.
    - nukem222 2y ago
      The ipad also has an icon above its keyboard. Whatever lack of obvious interaction is available on the phone seems intentional. Cynically, I think you'd just look like even more of a fool shaking an ipad and this is the only reason they approved such a button.

julik 2y ago

Well, hooking into system undo is tricky as there still seems to be no native web platform thing for that. I see all kinds of things like https://github.com/samthor/undoer https://github.com/samthor/undoer but the article was about the foundation, rather than the integration. For what I am doing, shortcuts + clickable buttons on screen will do the job.

hyperhello 2y ago
If you're interested, [plug] here is my technique, just a page of script. https://hypervariety.com/NativeBrowserUndo/NativeBrowserUndo.html https://hypervariety.com/NativeBrowserUndo/NativeBrowserUndo...

sgarland 2y ago

TIL this is why that modal has popped up at seemingly random times. Very useful, if you know how to summon it!

aitchnyu 2y ago
Around 2018, the ultra buggy Matrix messenger had a onShakeListener that triggered a dialog "It seems you are frustrated. Do you want to raise a bug report?"
- JadedBlueEyes 2y ago
  Element's crash reporting system is still called 'rageshake' today, and you can enable the shake-to-report function in dev settings.