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Given the history of the United States, and the stark political division, it's for less than nothing: The coarse they have set is one that is absolutely guarant

Given the history of the United States, and the stark political division, it's for less than nothing: The coarse they have set is one that is absolutely guaranteed to lead to civil war and dissolution. Any American that actually thought you had a pretty decent country in decades past needs to seriously consider acquiring firearms, and this isn't an exaggeration. And really, the not-into-a-corrupt-idiocracy states -- one where lawless will-enslave-people-for-$ garbage like El Salvador and Russia are your besties -- should be openly talking about secession. The right likes to pretend it's unthinkable when the so-called "blue states" broach it, yapping some "indivisible!" line, but Texas has spent every Democrat government with in the open secession planning. Abbott was busy setting up Texas "consulates" of sorts, preparing to be their own little country. All because equal rights and healthcare offend them so. Now there's a grotesquely incompetent group of criminal grifters and clowns talking about abolishing federal courts, completely annihilating the constitution, and openly joking about invading literal allies. Mix in some advertising of their shitcoin crypto and getting rid of the gold stockpile for Bitcoin. It's your time, blue states. What the hell are you waiting for?

cmrdporcupine 2y ago
There are very few US states that are so homogenously blue that you could even talk about this without imagining civil war within blue states -- right across the border from Canada in western New York there's walls of MAGA-voting counties. Even in northern Vermont. The American idea and patriotism is so profoundly deep in the psyche of almost every American, I can't imagine any kind of post-USA state have any existence without profound catastrophe and violence. Maybe your country did a disservice to future generations by not just letting the southern states just... leave... because the cultural gap between north and south seems to be a source of serious long term and structural problem. And from watching American discourse from a distance up here, I actually think the US is far less divided than American liberals would like to think. A large polity in the US has swung over to MAGA, more than in 2016. The trend is heading in the wrong direction. For now. Trump 2016 looked like an accident and a huge but blundering catastrophe. Now it looks far more sinister.
- llm_nerd 2y ago
  Oh for sure there is no homogeneous state and you are completely right. It is a gross simplification to talk about blue and red states, and like the Pacific NW is about as blue as it gets, but you can also find extremely red areas. But I mean Texas is as "blue" as New York is "red". Yet Texas is unabashedly, overtly a Republican state. 1/3 of extremely red Arkansas voted Democrat. If it came to shooting, it wouldn't be state vs state, it would be zipcode vs zipcode. >I actually think the US is far less divided than American liberals would like to think The US is approaching a 50/50 divide between extremely different political opinions, where each then changes everything to force their view on the other. It is extraordinarily divided. And that was before "MAGA" in the US decided that allies are actually enemies, Russia is a friend, and sending people charged with no crime and with no due process to a random corrupt banana republic -- El Salvador -- that will enslave them for $, and it's just grossly untenable: These are positions that are completely orthogonal to those that America has set for itself during all of modern history. It can't go on. There is no way that the alternate positions are compatible.
- seanmcdirmid 2y ago
  > I actually think the US is far less divided than American liberals would like to think. Trump still can't break 50% on a vote, I don't think we are messed up so much that MAGA has anywhere near a majority.

cmrdporcupine 2y ago

There are very few US states that are so homogenously blue that you could even talk about this without imagining civil war within blue states -- right across the border from Canada in western New York there's walls of MAGA-voting counties. Even in northern Vermont. The American idea and patriotism is so profoundly deep in the psyche of almost every American, I can't imagine any kind of post-USA state have any existence without profound catastrophe and violence. Maybe your country did a disservice to future generations by not just letting the southern states just... leave... because the cultural gap between north and south seems to be a source of serious long term and structural problem. And from watching American discourse from a distance up here, I actually think the US is far less divided than American liberals would like to think. A large polity in the US has swung over to MAGA, more than in 2016. The trend is heading in the wrong direction. For now. Trump 2016 looked like an accident and a huge but blundering catastrophe. Now it looks far more sinister.

llm_nerd 2y ago
Oh for sure there is no homogeneous state and you are completely right. It is a gross simplification to talk about blue and red states, and like the Pacific NW is about as blue as it gets, but you can also find extremely red areas. But I mean Texas is as "blue" as New York is "red". Yet Texas is unabashedly, overtly a Republican state. 1/3 of extremely red Arkansas voted Democrat. If it came to shooting, it wouldn't be state vs state, it would be zipcode vs zipcode. >I actually think the US is far less divided than American liberals would like to think The US is approaching a 50/50 divide between extremely different political opinions, where each then changes everything to force their view on the other. It is extraordinarily divided. And that was before "MAGA" in the US decided that allies are actually enemies, Russia is a friend, and sending people charged with no crime and with no due process to a random corrupt banana republic -- El Salvador -- that will enslave them for $, and it's just grossly untenable: These are positions that are completely orthogonal to those that America has set for itself during all of modern history. It can't go on. There is no way that the alternate positions are compatible.
seanmcdirmid 2y ago
> I actually think the US is far less divided than American liberals would like to think. Trump still can't break 50% on a vote, I don't think we are messed up so much that MAGA has anywhere near a majority.