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I remember how big of a deal it was when Obama wanted to keep his Blackberry. I have a colleague that used to work for RIM, and he's alluded to work he did for

I remember how big of a deal it was when Obama wanted to keep his Blackberry. I have a colleague that used to work for RIM, and he's alluded to work he did for that effort that he's still unable to discuss.

addandsubtract 2y ago
Remember when Hillary used a private email server? Trump and MAGA were chanting to "Lock her up!"
- revnode 2y ago
  Remember how she wasn't locked up? That set the precedent.
  - JadeNB 2y ago
    > Remember how she wasn't locked up? That set the precedent. Locking her up would have set a far worse precedent, and I think that the other norm-breaking behavior of the current administration does not support the idea that prior punishment of past administration members for insecure data management would have led this administration to more secure data practices.
  - rco8786 2y ago
    No better time than the present to establish a better precedent. Though more realistically, nobody needs to be going to jail in either case - but if there are zero consequences for anyone involved well, that's telling for a leader who frequently criticizes his opponents for not firing people when they do poorly.
- eastbound 2y ago
  A non-encrypted email server under a desk with a rogue email address where foreign officials have written that is not a .gov domain, not monitored, not seizable, is like deleting evidence. It’s possibly accessory to treason when you are Minister of State. Using Signal is still against all rules, but at least it’s not unencrypted. It proves that all governments bypass monitoring of their communications, even Google’s CEO when they discussed by auto-deleted chats.
  - drivingmenuts 2y ago
    I realize that government is terrified of the Captains of Industry, but it really should have cracked down on that hard and made it clear that if it happened again, the next crackdown would guarantee there wouldn't be a third repeat.
  - ethbr1 2y ago
    > not monitored, not seizable, is like deleting evidence Like Signal? >> Mike Waltz set disappearing message time to 4 weeks [0] [0] https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/signal-group-chat-attack-plans-hegseth-goldberg/682176/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/signal-...
    - Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe 2y ago
      Hmm. Well the issue is that he's using Signal, and that it's on a consumer grade phone, that is akin to deleting evidence. But at this point disappearing message is more like limiting how bad this behavior is rather than aggravating circumstances. I mean he's wrong to be using that setup but if using it I much prefer those illegal messages not be present anymore when he loses his phone or something.
      - ethbr1 2y ago
        It is illegal to destroy records of US government communications, especially at a high level, without first receiving approval from the National Archives.
        Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe 2y ago
        But is destroying illegally stored records relevant? I don't know the legal precedents
        ethbr1 2y ago
        https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9de770q9e0o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9de770q9e0o Sufficiently so, so that a judge ordered immediate retention.
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addandsubtract 2y ago

Remember when Hillary used a private email server? Trump and MAGA were chanting to "Lock her up!"

revnode 2y ago
Remember how she wasn't locked up? That set the precedent.
- JadeNB 2y ago
  > Remember how she wasn't locked up? That set the precedent. Locking her up would have set a far worse precedent, and I think that the other norm-breaking behavior of the current administration does not support the idea that prior punishment of past administration members for insecure data management would have led this administration to more secure data practices.
- rco8786 2y ago
  No better time than the present to establish a better precedent. Though more realistically, nobody needs to be going to jail in either case - but if there are zero consequences for anyone involved well, that's telling for a leader who frequently criticizes his opponents for not firing people when they do poorly.
eastbound 2y ago
A non-encrypted email server under a desk with a rogue email address where foreign officials have written that is not a .gov domain, not monitored, not seizable, is like deleting evidence. It’s possibly accessory to treason when you are Minister of State. Using Signal is still against all rules, but at least it’s not unencrypted. It proves that all governments bypass monitoring of their communications, even Google’s CEO when they discussed by auto-deleted chats.
- drivingmenuts 2y ago
  I realize that government is terrified of the Captains of Industry, but it really should have cracked down on that hard and made it clear that if it happened again, the next crackdown would guarantee there wouldn't be a third repeat.
- ethbr1 2y ago
  > not monitored, not seizable, is like deleting evidence Like Signal? >> Mike Waltz set disappearing message time to 4 weeks [0] [0] https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/signal-group-chat-attack-plans-hegseth-goldberg/682176/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/signal-...
  - Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe 2y ago
    Hmm. Well the issue is that he's using Signal, and that it's on a consumer grade phone, that is akin to deleting evidence. But at this point disappearing message is more like limiting how bad this behavior is rather than aggravating circumstances. I mean he's wrong to be using that setup but if using it I much prefer those illegal messages not be present anymore when he loses his phone or something.
    - ethbr1 2y ago
      It is illegal to destroy records of US government communications, especially at a high level, without first receiving approval from the National Archives.
      - Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe 2y ago
        But is destroying illegally stored records relevant? I don't know the legal precedents
        ethbr1 2y ago
        https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9de770q9e0o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9de770q9e0o Sufficiently so, so that a judge ordered immediate retention.

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